Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxies
"Poul-Henning Kamp" <phk@phk.freebsd.dk> Mon, 04 February 2013 18:31 UTC
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Subject: Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxies
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 -------- In message <CAA4WUYiBJrLjM0-vurFOuJfUaabXtK=W8N5z28yshSfrvD9crg@mail.gmail.com> , =?UTF-8?B?V2lsbGlhbSBDaGFuICjpmYjmmbrmmIwp?= writes: >But let's return to the premise. Do you believe it's better to rely on >these client fingerprinting methods to implement prioritization, >rather than providing more explicit signals in the protocol itself? I belive that the client is welcome to suggest what kind of priority it would like to have, and that in the end, the other end is going to do whatever it likes, which may be to honor the clients desires, but most often isn't. >>> So what does the groups buy you, for all the complexity they add ? >>> >>> As far as I can tell: Nothing. > >I'm sorry I didn't address this in the first email. I confess I >thought it was obvious. Grouping lets you do relative prioritization >within a group, as opposed to across the entire session. I understood that, my question pertains to reality: What do you get in the _real_ world scenario ? Likely a DoS amplification if the proxy honors the client's priority desires... I'm fine with the client communicating a desired priority, I'm not fine with 50 pages of standards-verbiage about what the other end should do about it. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Nico Williams
- http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxies William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Yoav Nir
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Mark Nottingham
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Ilya Grigorik
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Amos Jeffries
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Mark Nottingham
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Amos Jeffries
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Albert Lunde
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Nico Williams
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… James M Snell
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Ben Niven-Jenkins
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Patrick McManus
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Ashok Kumar
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Roberto Peon
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Mike Belshe
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Martin Thomson
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Martin Thomson
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Roberto Peon
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Martin Thomson
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Roberto Peon
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Martin Thomson
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Roberto Peon
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Nico Williams
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Yoav Nir
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Nico Williams
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Roberto Peon
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Amos Jeffries
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Nico Williams
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Roberto Peon
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Nico Williams
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Roberto Peon
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Nico Williams
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Roberto Peon
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Amos Jeffries
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Nico Williams
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… William Chan (陈智昌)