Re: Reference set in HPACK

"Eric J. Bowman" <eric@bisonsystems.net> Thu, 03 July 2014 00:57 UTC

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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2014 18:54:39 -0600
From: "Eric J. Bowman" <eric@bisonsystems.net>
To: Roberto Peon <grmocg@gmail.com>
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Roberto Peon wrote:
>
> Inlining is the technique most often used to reduce the number of
> request.
>

I've also always considered it a worthwhile technique for byte-shaving,
as combining lots of small images into one mosaic image eliminates 
whatever redundant bytes are inherent to the chosen image format.

>
> It is a strategy that works well most of the time for cold
> pageloads, but it also harms latency for subsequent navigations
> deeper into the site as those resources cannot be cached.
>

But you lost me there, as I've never had a problem caching those
resources? Or does "inlining" not mean what I think it means?

-Eric