Re: [resend] SETTINGS_HTTP2_PRIORITY_MODEL (or SETTINGS_PRIORITY_SCHEME again) | Re: SETTINGS_ENABLE_HTTP2_PRIORITIES default value | Re: Setting to disable HTTP/2 Priorities

Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> Thu, 01 August 2019 06:14 UTC

Return-Path: <ietf-http-wg-request+bounce-httpbisa-archive-bis2juki=lists.ie@listhub.w3.org>
X-Original-To: ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5CAA120075 for <ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 23:14:45 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.7
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.201, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4qPsO-ZJjXJs for <ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 23:14:43 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [IPv6:2603:400a:ffff:804:801e:34:0:38]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D665812000F for <httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@lists.ietf.org>; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 23:14:43 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from <ietf-http-wg-request@listhub.w3.org>) id 1ht4Jy-0000wV-Ej for ietf-http-wg-dist@listhub.w3.org; Thu, 01 Aug 2019 06:12:14 +0000
Resent-Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2019 06:12:14 +0000
Resent-Message-Id: <E1ht4Jy-0000wV-Ej@frink.w3.org>
Received: from titan.w3.org ([2603:400a:ffff:804:801e:34:0:4c]) by frink.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from <w@1wt.eu>) id 1ht4Jw-0000vk-9i for ietf-http-wg@listhub.w3.org; Thu, 01 Aug 2019 06:12:12 +0000
Received: from wtarreau.pck.nerim.net ([62.212.114.60] helo=1wt.eu) by titan.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from <w@1wt.eu>) id 1ht4Jt-0008AY-MM for ietf-http-wg@w3.org; Thu, 01 Aug 2019 06:12:11 +0000
Received: (from willy@localhost) by pcw.home.local (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id x716Bgeb012302; Thu, 1 Aug 2019 08:11:42 +0200
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2019 08:11:42 +0200
From: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
To: Kari Hurtta <hurtta-ietf@elmme-mailer.org>
Cc: HTTP Working Group <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>, Lucas Pardue <lucaspardue.24.7@gmail.com>, Brad Lassey <lassey@chromium.org>
Message-ID: <20190801061142.GA12299@1wt.eu>
References: <CALGR9oZ7CyJ3LD4rmJn+4=E83ad3qc93Nc82-uJMXjiRL+NQjA@mail.gmail.com> <20190731191053.1E66014197@welho-filter1.welho.com> <CALGR9oYddEX+GeA9yTXD+hH9ufdUC7qSpo2MW8-UcXUNqEgM-Q@mail.gmail.com> <20190801044108.GC11989@1wt.eu> <20190801044820.GA12279@1wt.eu> <20190801050925.D5A4D2333@welho-filter3.welho.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Disposition: inline
In-Reply-To: <20190801050925.D5A4D2333@welho-filter3.welho.com>
User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27)
Received-SPF: pass client-ip=62.212.114.60; envelope-from=w@1wt.eu; helo=1wt.eu
X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.8
X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: AWL=1.095, BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, W3C_AA=-1, W3C_IRA=-1, W3C_IRR=-3, W3C_WL=-1
X-W3C-Scan-Sig: titan.w3.org 1ht4Jt-0008AY-MM 1da1dd411c41aeb696b14b2c972fe192
X-Original-To: ietf-http-wg@w3.org
Subject: Re: [resend] SETTINGS_HTTP2_PRIORITY_MODEL (or SETTINGS_PRIORITY_SCHEME again) | Re: SETTINGS_ENABLE_HTTP2_PRIORITIES default value | Re: Setting to disable HTTP/2 Priorities
Archived-At: <https://www.w3.org/mid/20190801061142.GA12299@1wt.eu>
Resent-From: ietf-http-wg@w3.org
X-Mailing-List: <ietf-http-wg@w3.org> archive/latest/36907
X-Loop: ietf-http-wg@w3.org
Resent-Sender: ietf-http-wg-request@w3.org
Precedence: list
List-Id: <ietf-http-wg.w3.org>
List-Help: <https://www.w3.org/Mail/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-http-wg-request@w3.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Hi Kari,

On Thu, Aug 01, 2019 at 08:09:16AM +0300, Kari Hurtta wrote:
> > I think the confusing part comes from the ENABLE word in the setting
> > name. We could proceed differently by exchanging a supported model
> > for priorities :  SETTINGS_HTTP2_PRIORITY_MODEL
> > It could then take the following values :
> > 
> >     0 (default) : as specified in RFC7540
> >     1           : priorities not sent and silently ignored
> >     2 and above : to be documented in future specifications
> > 
> > This way it seems more natural to consider that unless advertised, we
> > stay on RFC7540 and nothing changes.
> > 
> > Willy
> 
> This is almost same than my SETTINGS_PRIORITY_SCHEME suggestion.

Yes that's what I mentioned afterwards, I've read messages in different
order and found yours after I responded above :-)

Thus I fully support it of course.

> It have only 1 and 0 flipped.
> 
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2019JulSep/0140.html

Yep. I tend to prefer keeping zero the default, it generally is easier
to assume that "unset == not changed from default". But this is a very
minor detail.

> Then incompatibility with HTTP/3's SETTINGS frame was cited.
> 
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2019JulSep/0141.html

Noted as well.

Thanks,
Willy