Re: Redirection to Other IP Addresses

Bin Ni <nibin@quantil.com> Tue, 13 August 2019 08:12 UTC

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From: Bin Ni <nibin@quantil.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 01:09:39 -0700
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To: Erik Nygren <erik@nygren.org>
Cc: Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se>, Jack Firth <jackhfirth@gmail.com>, Chris Lemmons <alficles@gmail.com>, Amos Jeffries <squid3@treenet.co.nz>, HTTP Working Group <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
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Hi Erik,

Thanks for your thoughts.
Since we will use a dedicated status code 312, I think we can simply use
"cache-control" to set the cache behavior, just like how 30X is handled
today.

Bin

On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 6:56 PM Erik Nygren <erik@nygren.org>; wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 5:21 AM Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se>; wrote:
>
>>
>> If we for a moment play with the idea that we'd do something like this,
>> then I
>> think it should be aligned with and work together with Alt-Svc in a
>> better way
>> than what is currently proposed..
>>
>
> Agreed that if we go down the Alt-Svc-like-road that this needs to play
> well
> with Alt-Svc.  A major difference is that Alt-Svc is scoped to Origins
> (ie, all requests for that Origin are encouraged to use the Alt-Svc).
> But in this case the scope is presumably for individual URLs.
> If the client asks for a bunch of different objects it is possible
> that each one of them might want to be directed to a different
> alternative service, and some of these might be running in-parallel.
>
> It seems like on the Alt-Svc route there are two design questions
> that must be addressed:
>
> 1) How to signal client support
> 2) How to allow different alternative services to be used for different
> URIs.
>
> For #1, maybe there is a new request header?
> "Accept-Redirect-to-Alternative" ?
>
> For #2, maybe we allow for labeled alternatives?  For example:
>
> GET /abc/foo345678.mp4
> Host: videos.example.com
>
> HTTP/1.1 312 Redirect URI to Alternative
> Alt-Svc: h2="cdn-node-98765.example.net:443"; ma=3600;
> label="cdn-cluster-98765"
> Alt-Svc: h3="cdn-node-98765.example.net:443"; ma=3600;
> label="cdn-cluster-98765"
> Alt-Svc-Location-for-URI: "cdn-cluster-98765"
>
> In this case there would be an additional cache of Alt-Svcs keyed by
> {origin,label}.
> On receiving one of these redirects, a client supporting this
> synchronously look for
> a connection to an Alt-Svc keyed by {"https://videos.example.com
> ","cdn-cluster-98765"}
> and then re-issue the request there (sending along the Alt-Used request
> header as well
> which would somehow want to include the label used.
>
> Presumably other URIs for the origin would not use the labelled Alt-Svc
> unless
> specifically redirected.
>
> Another way to handle #2 would be to allow Alt-Svc to be scoped to URI
> patterns,
> so the "synchronous redirect to alternative" could include a set of Alt-Svc
> entries with:    scope="/abc/*"
>
> That said for the above, I think that something along the lines of an
> out-of-band
> encoding solves a bunch of these use-cases in a more flexible manner.
> Alt-Svc requires the alternatives all have the same degree of trust.
> Being able for an origin to say "get the bytes from this other URL but
> use integrity-validation and decryption information provided as part
> of this response" opens up many more use-cases.
>
>        Erik
>
>
>
>
>
>


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