Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical qvalues
Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> Fri, 25 January 2013 06:17 UTC
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Subject: Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical qvalues
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On 2013-01-25 06:31, "Martin J. Dürst" wrote: > On 2013/01/25 8:37, Mark Nottingham wrote: >> Removing the text does seem like the most expedient path forward. >> >> That said, I don't find it particularly satisfying; our job is to >> improve interop, and when there are latent semantics that aren't >> documented, we have to consider whether we're doing it well. >> >> I propose: >> >> """ >> Note that some recipients treat language tags that have the same >> quality values (including when they are both missing) to be listed in >> descending order of priority. However, this behaviour cannot be relied >> upon, and if their relative priority is important, it ought to be >> communicated by using different quality values. >> """ >> >> ... because I think it best captures where we're at. > > Maybe I'm getting this wrong, but it sounds to me that Julian is > insisting that it's okay to send arbitrary replies (e.g. once French, > once English at random) if there are no q-values. It has been very It is, according to the spec. If it hurts, don't do it (thus add qvalues). > clearly explained that this is highly confusing (in other words, bad for > interoperability). Even if the current spec allows this, it would be > good to have some text in the new spec that says that's a bad idea. We could also say that leaving the choice to the server might lead to different languages being picked in subsequent requests. > Otherwise, I'm fine with the above Note, except for a small nit: > Please change "including when they are both missing" to "including when > they are missing", because there may be more than two missing (or equal) > q-values. > > Regards, Martin. Best regards, Julian
- #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical qvalu… Julian Reschke
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Julian Reschke
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Roy T. Fielding
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Julian Reschke
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Roy T. Fielding
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Julian Reschke
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Julian Reschke
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Amos Jeffries
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Julian Reschke
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Amos Jeffries
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Julian Reschke
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Amos Jeffries
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Julian Reschke
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Roy T. Fielding
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Nicholas Shanks
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Amos Jeffries
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Nico Williams
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Adrien W. de Croy
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Adrien W. de Croy
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Amos Jeffries
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Mark Nottingham
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Roy T. Fielding
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Mark Nottingham
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… James M Snell
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Mark Nottingham
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Adrien W. de Croy
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Amos Jeffries
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Mark Nottingham
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Roy T. Fielding
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Mark Nottingham
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Nicholas Shanks
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… James M Snell
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Adrien W. de Croy
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Amos Jeffries
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Adrien W. de Croy
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Roy T. Fielding
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Adrien W. de Croy
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Nicholas Shanks
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Julian Reschke
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Mark Nottingham
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Julian Reschke
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Roy T. Fielding
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Mark Nottingham
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Julian Reschke
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Amos Jeffries
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Amos Jeffries
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Julian Reschke
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Amos Jeffries
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Julian Reschke
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Julian Reschke
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Julian Reschke
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Mark Nottingham
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Julian Reschke
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Julian Reschke
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Mark Nottingham
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Eric J. Bowman
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… James M Snell
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Martin Thomson
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Eric J. Bowman
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Roy T. Fielding
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Eric J. Bowman
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Nicholas Shanks
- Re: #428 Accept-Language ordering for identical q… Julian Reschke