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Re: HTTP/2 and Pervasive Monitoring

"Poul-Henning Kamp" <phk@phk.freebsd.dk> Fri, 15 August 2014 14:53 UTC

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In message <CAKC-DJjFk9==Y4ayn=A-fZBaEt-G_+n=XQ9B8rKqWaT-LQh3vQ@mail.gmail.com>
, Erik Nygren writes:

>[...]  provision a real certificate, [...]

I have it from many corners, than anything which involves "real
certificates" are not going to happen for a large swath of "unimportant"
traffic because of the extortionary business behavior of the CA-mob.

I personally have no love for the CA-mob, but a lot of people seem to
hate their guts.  Keeping them out of the picture wrt. fighting PM
would be a good idea.

Also, we don't need very big certs, they just have to hold for a
few seconds.

>> For that matter this is not even specific to HTTP/2 in any way, it
>> could also be deployed for HTTP/1.1.
>
>Only if there was a way to convey Scheme (http vs https) in a way that
>worked reliably for existing HTTP/1.1 servers.

I was talking only conceptually here, the actual protocol mechanics
will be at least as tricky as HTTP/1 -> HTTP/2 upgrade.

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