Re: Redirection to Other IP Addresses

Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> Wed, 14 August 2019 02:02 UTC

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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 11:58:44 +1000
Cc: Erik Nygren <erik@nygren.org>, Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se>, Jack Firth <jackhfirth@gmail.com>, Chris Lemmons <alficles@gmail.com>, Amos Jeffries <squid3@treenet.co.nz>, HTTP Working Group <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
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Hi Bin,

Just to make sure -- please don't use status codes without having them standardised, and don't use a concrete number in your proposal, as it might have to change, which can cause interoperability problems.

From RFC7231 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7231#section-8.2.2>;:

>    Proposals for new status codes that are not yet widely deployed ought
>    to avoid allocating a specific number for the code until there is
>    clear consensus that it will be registered; instead, early drafts can
>    use a notation such as "4NN", or "3N0" .. "3N9", to indicate the
>    class of the proposed status code(s) without consuming a number
>    prematurely.

Cheers,



> On 13 Aug 2019, at 6:09 pm, Bin Ni <nibin@quantil.com>; wrote:
> 
> Hi Erik,
> 
> Thanks for your thoughts.
> Since we will use a dedicated status code 312, I think we can simply use "cache-control" to set the cache behavior, just like how 30X is handled today.
> 
> Bin
> 
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 6:56 PM Erik Nygren <erik@nygren.org>; wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 5:21 AM Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se>; wrote:
> 
> If we for a moment play with the idea that we'd do something like this, then I 
> think it should be aligned with and work together with Alt-Svc in a better way 
> than what is currently proposed..
> 
> Agreed that if we go down the Alt-Svc-like-road that this needs to play well
> with Alt-Svc.  A major difference is that Alt-Svc is scoped to Origins
> (ie, all requests for that Origin are encouraged to use the Alt-Svc).
> But in this case the scope is presumably for individual URLs.
> If the client asks for a bunch of different objects it is possible
> that each one of them might want to be directed to a different
> alternative service, and some of these might be running in-parallel.
> 
> It seems like on the Alt-Svc route there are two design questions 
> that must be addressed:
> 
> 1) How to signal client support
> 2) How to allow different alternative services to be used for different URIs.
> 
> For #1, maybe there is a new request header?  "Accept-Redirect-to-Alternative" ?
> 
> For #2, maybe we allow for labeled alternatives?  For example:
> 
> GET /abc/foo345678.mp4
> Host: videos.example.com
> 
> HTTP/1.1 312 Redirect URI to Alternative
> Alt-Svc: h2="cdn-node-98765.example.net:443"; ma=3600; label="cdn-cluster-98765"
> Alt-Svc: h3="cdn-node-98765.example.net:443"; ma=3600; label="cdn-cluster-98765"
> Alt-Svc-Location-for-URI: "cdn-cluster-98765"
> 
> In this case there would be an additional cache of Alt-Svcs keyed by {origin,label}.
> On receiving one of these redirects, a client supporting this synchronously look for 
> a connection to an Alt-Svc keyed by {"https://videos.example.com","cdn-cluster-98765"}
> and then re-issue the request there (sending along the Alt-Used request header as well 
> which would somehow want to include the label used.
> 
> Presumably other URIs for the origin would not use the labelled Alt-Svc unless 
> specifically redirected.  
> 
> Another way to handle #2 would be to allow Alt-Svc to be scoped to URI patterns,
> so the "synchronous redirect to alternative" could include a set of Alt-Svc
> entries with:    scope="/abc/*"
> 
> That said for the above, I think that something along the lines of an out-of-band
> encoding solves a bunch of these use-cases in a more flexible manner.
> Alt-Svc requires the alternatives all have the same degree of trust.
> Being able for an origin to say "get the bytes from this other URL but 
> use integrity-validation and decryption information provided as part
> of this response" opens up many more use-cases.
> 
>        Erik
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
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