Re: RIP: Crypto-Key header field

Martin J. Dürst <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Wed, 23 November 2016 07:56 UTC

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On 2016/11/23 15:15, Julian Reschke wrote:
> On 2016-11-23 01:47, Martin Thomson wrote:

>> The virtue of this is that a particular profile can define this field
>> as it chooses, to meet its own requirements.  If you intend to use
>> this with strings, then you can constrain to ASCII or UTF-8 as you see
>> fit.
>> ...
>
> I see lot of additional works and potential bugs by allowing non-UTF-8
> octet sequences, and something like zero advantages.

Yes indeed. Not knowing what character encoding is used for a string, or 
not knowing whether something is binary or text, it a lot of pain, and 
no "virtue" at all. We have a lot of experience with that; let's not 
repeat these same mistakes over and over again.

Regards,   Martin.