Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over Byte-Stream Oriented Wire Protocols (HTTP)

"Poul-Henning Kamp" <phk@phk.freebsd.dk> Sun, 27 November 2016 21:23 UTC

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In message <CAG-EYCiVExcyHLoXB1ixQCKduxUPTVOnVX1XrmFJ3b72Y8AAFg@mail.gmail.com>
, Van Catha writes:

>So can we form a new WG then and focus on doing this right vs making
>WebSocket2.  The focus earlier was to get the already coded clients and API
>(websocket API) to be able to work with websockets layered on HTTP2/QUIC,
>if we are in it for the long haul now we might as well form a new group and
>create something more long term?

Apologies for asking a stupid question, but isn't that exactly what QUIC
is all about in the first place ?

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