Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Design Issue: Frame Size Items)
Patrick McManus <mcmanus@ducksong.com> Mon, 13 May 2013 22:29 UTC
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From: Patrick McManus <mcmanus@ducksong.com>
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Subject: Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Design Issue: Frame Size Items)
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On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 5:58 PM, William Chan (陈智昌) <willchan@chromium.org>wrote: > That's kinda why I don't really want to take this change as is now. I'd > rather wait for more implementation experience. AFAICT, we have at least 3 > very large scale SPDY server deployments (Google, Twitter, and Facebook), > and none of them have yet asked for this to be fixed. Maybe they're fine > with just not calling read() in these situations. I'd rather wait for > people deploying SPDY & HTTP/2.0 draft implementations to come back and say > that this is actually a problem and we need to fix it. > > +1 for running code. We're at a point where most changes should be influenced by that; imo.
- Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Design Is… James M Snell
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Desig… William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Desig… James M Snell
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Desig… James M Snell
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Desig… Roberto Peon
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Desig… James M Snell
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Desig… William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Desig… Martin Thomson
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Desig… Martin Thomson
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Desig… James M Snell
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Desig… James M Snell
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Desig… Martin Thomson
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Desig… William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Desig… William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Desig… Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Desig… James M Snell
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Desig… Roberto Peon
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Desig… William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Desig… Roberto Peon
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Desig… Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Desig… James M Snell
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text Martin J. Dürst
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Desig… Roberto Peon
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Desig… Martin Thomson
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Desig… Roberto Peon
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Desig… James M Snell
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Desig… William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Desig… Ben Niven-Jenkins
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Desig… Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Desig… William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Desig… James M Snell
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Desig… Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Desig… Martin Thomson
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Desig… James M Snell
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Desig… James M Snell
- Re: Proposal: New Frame Size Text (was: Re: Desig… Patrick McManus