Re: Encryption simplification

"Poul-Henning Kamp" <phk@phk.freebsd.dk> Sun, 30 October 2016 18:23 UTC

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In message <CABkgnnWVB3mnkGn9OmvgmLU7yDww40OQ_0pp_HeNdziqGYA0og@mail.gmail.com>, Martin Thoms
on writes:


>The main assertion that this assumes is this: content codings should
>be self-descriptive.

I think this is the right way to go.  When we discussed this, I had
to twist my brain silly to come up with examples, and they were all
clearly strawmen.

I wish we had a pool of "HTTP design principles" somewhere we could
add decisions like this to, for future reference.

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