Re: Draft v1 Update for Resumable Uploads

Eric J Bowman <mellowmutt@zoho.com> Mon, 20 June 2022 01:37 UTC

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From: Eric J Bowman <mellowmutt@zoho.com>
To: Guoye Zhang <guoye_zhang@apple.com>
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>

> Despite sharing the name, SFTP is not related to FTP at all.

> It is a completely different binary protocol that transfers files 

> over SSH, and SSH is not a protocol designed for public 

> accessible servers to serve or receive resources.

>



But the use-case you presented is not public-accessible, it requires an Apple ID, so you have all the ingredients necessary to implement SFTP or FTPS. Which both accomplish secure, resumable uploads. The commands I use on SFTP are still mget/mput etc. which are... exactly the same as I used to use over raw FTP. Not unrelated at all.



>

> I think we should focus the topic on resumable upload support

> for HTTP. We all like HTTP protocols here and hope it can be more

> powerful and support more use cases.

>

That's why my initial reply was about extending 206. Having thought about it some more, I don't think the handle of the HTTP hammer needs modified to include a 4-in-1 screwdriver. What's next, replacing SMTP with HTTP? Out-of-scope is out-of-scope and maybe that's why WebDAV didn't catch on (sorry, Julian).



-Eric