Re: WebSocket2
Kari Hurtta <hurtta-ietf@elmme-mailer.org> Tue, 04 October 2016 15:25 UTC
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Takeshi Yoshino <tyoshino@google.com>: (Tue Oct 4 14:12:25 2016) > Hi Van, Kari, > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 1:39 AM, Van Catha <vans554@gmail.com> wrote: > > <snip> > > > > Kari Hurtta > > > > > Well, I think the following would work and avoid SETTINGS: > > > > > > > Yutaka's proposal required the SETTINGS_WEBSOCKET_CAPABLE SETTINGS > parameter because we planned to use special framing (use of HTTP2 framing > level features not used for HTTP1.1/h2 layering). We wanted allow endpoints > to make sure that the h2 intermediaries between them are able to forward > WS/HTTP2's special framing correctly. > > So, for the current proposal by Van where only the DATA frame is used as > well as HTTP1.1/h2 layering, it's unnecessary. I contemplated SETTINGS as: ∙ SETTINGS frame with SETTINGS_WEBSOCKET_CAPABLE = 1 from HTTP/2 server ⇒ HTTP/1 client direction ∘ Promises that HTTP/2 server checks ":scheme" (and specially "wss" and "ws") ∘ Acknowledges that DATA frames for ":scheme" = "wss" and "ws" are handled as bidirectional traffic (similar than ":method" = "CONNECT"). In other words these DATA drames do NOT form HTTP request body from client and DATA drames do not form HTTP response body from server (on cases ":scheme" = "wss" and "ws"). ∘ SETTINGS_WEBSOCKET_CAPABLE = 1 does not promise that HTTP/2 server accepts ":scheme" = "wss" or "ws". (※) ∙ Promise of HTTP/1 client (⇒ HTTP/2 server) is implied with ":scheme" = "wss" or "ws". > > > -> :method ws2 > > > -> :scheme wss > > > -> :authority foo.example > > > -> :path /bar > > > -> <optional extra parameters, e.g. compression support> > > > <- :status 200 > > > <- sec-ws2-ack 1 > > > <- <optional negotiated extras> > > > > > :scheme is needed, yes. > > Not sure about need for "sec-ws2-ack". For WebSocket/TCP, we employed the > Sec-WebSocket-Key/Accept challenge/response in order to prevent the > WebSocket protocol from being abused for cross protocol attacks e.g. SMTP. > If all the intermediaries and servers correctly investigate the :scheme > header and don't get confused, "sec-ws2-ack" is unnecessary. Regarding > ws/h2-RFC6455 bridging, a correctly implemented intermediary facing ws/h2 > capable node and ws/h2 non-capable node would just perform RFC 6455 > handshake as Kari suggested. So, no problem. Ilari Liusvaara suggested sec-ws2-ack for check that ":scheme" is not ignored (if I remember correctly). / Kari Hurtta (※) Yes, on my network picture there is many HTTP/2 servers and clients: +---------------------------+ | Web browser or other | | WebSockect client | +---------------------------+ [ HTTP/2 client ] ⇓ ⇓ +---------------------------+ [ HTTP/2 server ] | forward proxy configure | ( client uses CONNECT | on web blowser | tunnel if encypted scheme ) +---------------------------+ [ HTTP/2 client ] ⇓ ⇓ +---------------------------+ [ HTTP/2 client ] | reverse proxy for | ( may include TLS offloading, | :authority | if encryption is used ) +---------------------------+ [ HTTP/2 client ] ⇓ ⇓ +---------------------------+ [ HTTP/2 server ] | origin server | | | +---------------------------+ SETTINGS frame is for one hop between HTTP/2 server and HTTP/2 client.
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- WebSocket2 Kari hurtta
- Re: WebSocket2 Van Catha
- Re: WebSocket2 Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: WebSocket2 Van Catha
- Re: WebSocket2 Kari hurtta
- Re: WebSocket2 Van Catha
- Re: WebSocket2 Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: WebSocket2 Amos Jeffries
- Re: WebSocket2 Amos Jeffries
- Re: WebSocket2 Kari Hurtta
- Re: WebSocket2 Kari hurtta
- Re: WebSocket2 Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: WebSocket2 Kari Hurtta
- Re: WebSocket2 Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: WebSocket2 Kari Hurtta
- Re: WebSocket2 Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: WebSocket2 Kari Hurtta
- Re: WebSocket2 Van Catha
- Re: WebSocket2 Kari Hurtta
- Re: WebSocket2 Alex Rousskov
- :method | Re: WebSocket2 Kari Hurtta
- Re: WebSocket2 Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: WebSocket2 Kari Hurtta
- tunnel | Re: WebSocket2 Kari Hurtta
- Re: tunnel | Re: WebSocket2 Martin Thomson
- Re: WebSocket2 Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: WebSocket2 Takeshi Yoshino
- SETTINGS_WEBSOCKET_CAPABLE | Re: WebSocket2 Kari Hurtta
- Re: WebSocket2 Van Catha
- Re: WebSocket2 Kari hurtta
- Re: SETTINGS_WEBSOCKET_CAPABLE | Re: WebSocket2 Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: WebSocket2 Takeshi Yoshino
- RE: WebSocket2 Lucas Pardue
- Re: WebSocket2 Van Catha
- Re: SETTINGS_WEBSOCKET_CAPABLE | Re: WebSocket2 Kari Hurtta