RE: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over Byte-Stream Oriented Wire Protocols (HTTP)
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From: Mike Bishop <Michael.Bishop@microsoft.com>
To: Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>, Van Catha <vans554@gmail.com>
CC: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>, Takeshi Yoshino <tyoshino@google.com>, Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>, Andy Green <andy@warmcat.com>, "ietf-http-wg@w3.org Group" <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>, Wenbo Zhu <wenboz@google.com>, Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
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QUIC's charter doesn't have anything directly to do with WebSockets. But I agree that since WebSockets came from a different WG, it might be a reasonable question to the ADs whether that working group should be rechartered to do an HTTP/2 or HTTP/QUIC port. HTTP/2 makes many of the pre-WebSocket solutions to this problem space much cheaper. QUIC will probably make it even more so. If there are people who feel strongly that WebSockets still meet a need over a modern HTTP, I'm happy to read and occasionally comment, but I don't feel called to be integral to that work. -----Original Message----- From: Poul-Henning Kamp [mailto:phk@phk.freebsd.dk] Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 1:19 PM To: Van Catha <vans554@gmail.com> Cc: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>; Takeshi Yoshino <tyoshino@google.com>; Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>; Andy Green <andy@warmcat.com>; ietf-http-wg@w3.org Group <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>; Wenbo Zhu <wenboz@google.com>; Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> Subject: Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over Byte-Stream Oriented Wire Protocols (HTTP) -------- In message <CAG-EYCiVExcyHLoXB1ixQCKduxUPTVOnVX1XrmFJ3b72Y8AAFg@mail.gmail.com> , Van Catha writes: >So can we form a new WG then and focus on doing this right vs making >WebSocket2. The focus earlier was to get the already coded clients and >API (websocket API) to be able to work with websockets layered on >HTTP2/QUIC, if we are in it for the long haul now we might as well form >a new group and create something more long term? Apologies for asking a stupid question, but isn't that exactly what QUIC is all about in the first place ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Takeshi Yoshino
- WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over Byte… Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Loïc Hoguin
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Van Catha
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Loïc Hoguin
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Loïc Hoguin
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Wenbo Zhu
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Wenbo Zhu
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Loïc Hoguin
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Costin Manolache
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Wenbo Zhu
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Costin Manolache
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Costin Manolache
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Loïc Hoguin
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Wenbo Zhu
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Van Catha
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Costin Manolache
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Costin Manolache
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Wenbo Zhu
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Costin Manolache
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Van Catha
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Van Catha
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Mark Nottingham
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Andy Green
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Mark Nottingham
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Andy Green
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Mark Nottingham
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Willy Tarreau
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Mark Nottingham
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Van Catha
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Poul-Henning Kamp
- RE: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Mike Bishop
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Van Catha
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Andy Green
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Van Catha
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Andy Green
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Martin J. Dürst
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Alexey Melnikov
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Takeshi Yoshino