RE: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over Byte-Stream Oriented Wire Protocols (HTTP)

Mike Bishop <Michael.Bishop@microsoft.com> Wed, 30 November 2016 19:34 UTC

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From: Mike Bishop <Michael.Bishop@microsoft.com>
To: Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>, Van Catha <vans554@gmail.com>
CC: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>, Takeshi Yoshino <tyoshino@google.com>, Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>, Andy Green <andy@warmcat.com>, "ietf-http-wg@w3.org Group" <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>, Wenbo Zhu <wenboz@google.com>, Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
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QUIC's charter doesn't have anything directly to do with WebSockets.  But I agree that since WebSockets came from a different WG, it might be a reasonable question to the ADs whether that working group should be rechartered to do an HTTP/2 or HTTP/QUIC port.

HTTP/2 makes many of the pre-WebSocket solutions to this problem space much cheaper.  QUIC will probably make it even more so.  If there are people who feel strongly that WebSockets still meet a need over a modern HTTP, I'm happy to read and occasionally comment, but I don't feel called to be integral to that work.

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From: Poul-Henning Kamp [mailto:phk@phk.freebsd.dk] 
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To: Van Catha <vans554@gmail.com>
Cc: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>et>; Takeshi Yoshino <tyoshino@google.com>om>; Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>eu>; Andy Green <andy@warmcat.com>om>; ietf-http-wg@w3.org Group <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>rg>; Wenbo Zhu <wenboz@google.com>om>; Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over Byte-Stream Oriented Wire Protocols (HTTP)

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In message <CAG-EYCiVExcyHLoXB1ixQCKduxUPTVOnVX1XrmFJ3b72Y8AAFg@mail.gmail.com>
, Van Catha writes:

>So can we form a new WG then and focus on doing this right vs making 
>WebSocket2.  The focus earlier was to get the already coded clients and 
>API (websocket API) to be able to work with websockets layered on 
>HTTP2/QUIC, if we are in it for the long haul now we might as well form 
>a new group and create something more long term?

Apologies for asking a stupid question, but isn't that exactly what QUIC is all about in the first place ?

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