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Re: Call for Adoption: SEARCH method

Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> Thu, 19 November 2020 09:11 UTC

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Subject: Re: Call for Adoption: SEARCH method
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Am 19.11.2020 um 09:19 schrieb Greg Wilkins:
> ...
> Then why don't we just define the semantics of  GET's may have bodies.
 > ...

My understanding is that we won't be able to do that, because it would
not work everywhere. If we found out that not to be true, it would be an
alternative.

> A client that wishes to send a SEARCH or a GET with a body will equally
> have to expect a 4xx if something in the path doesn't expect either.
>
>   The main difference is that a GET with a body may receive a response
> that simply ignored the body and the client may not be able to determine
> that.  But then equally it is not possible to tell if a SEARCH method
> has been simply routed to a GET implementation and the body equally
> ignored.   If this is a concern, then perhaps defining a response header
> that indicates the request body was considered is a better way forward?

The subtle difference here is that a server that ignores the body on GET
currently is conformant, while a server that treats SEARCH as GET is buggy.

The suggestion with the response header field although is interesting.

Best regards, Julian

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