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Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> Thu, 25 July 2024 06:08 UTC

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On 23.07.2024 00:30, Michael Toomim wrote:
> ...
> The main problem with ETag, though, is that it marks *unique content*
> rather than *unique time*. If you mutate the state of the resource from
> "foo" to "bar" and then back to "foo", you'll revert to the same ETag,
> even though this is at a different point in time. This breaks
> collaborative editing algorithms.
> ...

It doen't have to be implemented that way. For instance, AFAIR,
Subversion just uses the version number as Etag, and that's just fine.

Best regards, Julian

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