Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxies
Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> Mon, 04 February 2013 06:53 UTC
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Subject: Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxies
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Thanks, William. I think most of this came out in discussion. Personally, as someone who works with proxies, I like grouping (as I said in the meeting). Cheers, On 04/02/2013, at 4:33 PM, William Chan (陈智昌) <willchan@chromium.org> wrote: > Mike told me I didn't explain this properly at the interim meeting, > which was totally true, since I was just trying to do a brief survey > of browser considerations. In retrospect, I'll prepare fuller > presentations next time to explain things more clearly. > > Anyway, the existing prioritization bug is as follows: > * Multiple users speaking HTTP/2 to a proxy, where they indicate > stream priorities within their respective HTTP/2 sessions > * The proxy speaks HTTP/2 to a server, demuxing the client sessions > and re-muxing some of the streams into a shared HTTP/2 session to a > server. > > The natural thing to do in HTTP/2 as currently drafted is to have the > proxy simply respect the clients' priorities when forwarding to the > server. That obviously means that specific clients can request > long-lived high priority streams, or repeatedly request high priority > streams. This may or may not starve other streams, depending on how > the backend server handles the priorities. > > There are a number of different ways to handle this in HTTP/2 as > currently drafted: > * Long-lived high priority streams can be slowly deprioritized by the > backend server. > * The proxy can modify the priorities as it sees them. It could > neutralize them all (set them all to equivalent values) or if a client > requests too many high priority streams, it could start lowering the > priority levels of new streams from that client. The backend server > obviously can't do this because it doesn't (at least, shouldn't!) know > the clients behind the proxy. > * The proxy can use separate HTTP/2 sessions for each client. > > I consider all those options as suboptimal, and thus consider this > issue to be a protocol bug. Our SPDY/4 prioritization proposal > addresses this by using stream groups with advisory (all this is > advisory after all) per group weights (for weighted scheduling). I'd > like to hear what people think of this issue and how we should address > it in HTTP/2. > > Cheers. > -- Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Nico Williams
- http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxies William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Yoav Nir
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Mark Nottingham
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Ilya Grigorik
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Amos Jeffries
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Mark Nottingham
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Amos Jeffries
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Albert Lunde
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Nico Williams
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… James M Snell
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Ben Niven-Jenkins
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Patrick McManus
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Ashok Kumar
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Roberto Peon
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Mike Belshe
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Martin Thomson
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Martin Thomson
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Roberto Peon
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Martin Thomson
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Roberto Peon
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Martin Thomson
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Roberto Peon
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Nico Williams
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Yoav Nir
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Nico Williams
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Roberto Peon
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Amos Jeffries
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Nico Williams
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Roberto Peon
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Nico Williams
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Roberto Peon
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Nico Williams
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Roberto Peon
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Amos Jeffries
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… Nico Williams
- Re: http/2 prioritization/fairness bug with proxi… William Chan (陈智昌)