Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop problem

Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> Mon, 22 September 2014 22:59 UTC

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Subject: Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop problem
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On 22 Sep 2014, at 3:05 pm, Greg Wilkins <gregw@intalio.com> wrote:
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> I think it is unworkable.... but let's follow our charter to determine if it really is.  Our charter says that we should be coordinating the TLS working group and let's see if they are happy to insist that TLS police application protocol crypto requirements.

Greg, this was all done with deep involvement from the TLS WG; Eric was chair at the time, and now the document editor for 1.3.

There may be some mitigations we can introduce to make this easier for you. Dropping 9.2.2 isn’t on the table here — it’s been discussed for quite some time, with input from TLS and SECAREA, and has strong support. 

One thing that I’ve heard is requiring clients to offer the “good” suites first, to promote interop. Does anyone see a downside to doing that?

The other is making all of 9.2.2 (and maybe 9.2.1) specific to TLS 1.2; i.e., to let TLS 1.3 and beyond control their own destiny.

Regards (and about to get on a plane),

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Mark Nottingham   http://www.mnot.net/

9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop prob… Greg Wilkins
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Eric Rescorla
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Simone Bordet
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Patrick McManus
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Simone Bordet
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Patrick McManus
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Patrick McManus
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Michael Sweet
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Michael Sweet
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Michael Sweet
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Simone Bordet
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Eric Rescorla
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Michael Sweet
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
RE: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Andrei Popov
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Brian Smith
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Michael Sweet
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Michael Sweet
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Brian Smith
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Eric Rescorla
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Amos Jeffries
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Ilari Liusvaara
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Brian Smith
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Cory Benfield
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Roland Zink
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Brian Smith
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Stuart Douglas
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Cory Benfield
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Roland Zink
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Patrick McManus
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Roy T. Fielding
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Simone Bordet
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Simone Bordet
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Roy T. Fielding
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Jason Greene
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Ilari Liusvaara
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Stuart Douglas
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Willy Tarreau
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Willy Tarreau
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Willy Tarreau
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Cory Benfield
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Stuart Douglas
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Amos Jeffries
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Cory Benfield
RE: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Andrei Popov
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Ilari Liusvaara
RE: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Andrei Popov
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Roy T. Fielding
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Eric Rescorla
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Jim Manico
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Jason Greene
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Eric Rescorla
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Jason Greene
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Eric Rescorla
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Jason Greene
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Simone Bordet
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Mark Nottingham
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Jason Greene
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Patrick McManus
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Willy Tarreau
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Eric Rescorla
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Eric Rescorla
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Eric Rescorla
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Eric Rescorla
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Eric Rescorla
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Willy Tarreau
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Julian Reschke
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Roland Zink
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Michael Sweet
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Eric Rescorla
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Simone Bordet
RE: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Andrei Popov
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Jason Greene
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Eric Rescorla
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Eric Rescorla
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Eric Rescorla
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Amos Jeffries
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Roland Zink
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Roland Zink
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Eric Rescorla
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Roland Zink
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Simone Bordet
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Roland Zink
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Simone Bordet
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Roland Zink
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Simone Bordet
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Amos Jeffries
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Stuart Douglas
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Roland Zink
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Simone Bordet
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Michael Sweet
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Michael Sweet
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Eric Rescorla
RE: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Andrei Popov
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
RE: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Rob Trace
Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … John Mattsson