Re: p1: HTTP(S) URIs and fragment identifiers

Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> Sat, 20 April 2013 08:08 UTC

Return-Path: <ietf-http-wg-request@listhub.w3.org>
X-Original-To: ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C122321F9133 for <ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 01:08:23 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -10.599
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hCmV5-OcMY2F for <ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 01:08:23 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D678221F9023 for <httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@lists.ietf.org>; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 01:08:22 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <ietf-http-wg-request@listhub.w3.org>) id 1UTSpz-00016S-MG for ietf-http-wg-dist@listhub.w3.org; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:07:59 +0000
Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:07:59 +0000
Resent-Message-Id: <E1UTSpz-00016S-MG@frink.w3.org>
Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <julian.reschke@gmx.de>) id 1UTSpw-00015j-Nz for ietf-http-wg@listhub.w3.org; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:07:56 +0000
Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]) by lisa.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <julian.reschke@gmx.de>) id 1UTSpw-0007IS-0u for ietf-http-wg@w3.org; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:07:56 +0000
Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.12]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MVGca-1U1O6m08tC-00YfLF for <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 10:07:30 +0200
Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 20 Apr 2013 08:07:29 -0000
Received: from p5DD94B94.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.2.117]) [93.217.75.148] by mail.gmx.net (mp012) with SMTP; 20 Apr 2013 10:07:29 +0200
X-Authenticated: #1915285
X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19vLzh1VChvJ4RkUDNxw8F/Zk5N68MxqB3YBtRqSg K+6Aw0djYe91Vl
Message-ID: <51724CBB.6060300@gmx.de>
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 10:07:23 +0200
From: Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
CC: "ietf-http-wg@w3.org Group" <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
References: <EBBA02BC-CAAF-4CE3-807F-85D87A9D30C8@mnot.net> <517243A2.9000006@gmx.de> <AED6FBF2-724F-424B-AFC2-06A5C73F8B14@mnot.net>
In-Reply-To: <AED6FBF2-724F-424B-AFC2-06A5C73F8B14@mnot.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0
Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.19; envelope-from=julian.reschke@gmx.de; helo=mout.gmx.net
X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.4
X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: AWL=-3.390, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001
X-W3C-Scan-Sig: lisa.w3.org 1UTSpw-0007IS-0u 69e1760fa2f05623909ab12d00d03d9b
X-Original-To: ietf-http-wg@w3.org
Subject: Re: p1: HTTP(S) URIs and fragment identifiers
Archived-At: <http://www.w3.org/mid/51724CBB.6060300@gmx.de>
Resent-From: ietf-http-wg@w3.org
X-Mailing-List: <ietf-http-wg@w3.org> archive/latest/17406
X-Loop: ietf-http-wg@w3.org
Resent-Sender: ietf-http-wg-request@w3.org
Precedence: list
List-Id: <ietf-http-wg.w3.org>
List-Help: <http://www.w3.org/Mail/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-http-wg-request@w3.org?subject=unsubscribe>

On 2013-04-20 09:30, Mark Nottingham wrote:
>
> On 20/04/2013, at 5:28 PM, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:
>
>> On 2013-04-20 06:07, Mark Nottingham wrote:
>>> P1 sections 2.7.1 and 2.7.2 define the HTTP and HTTPS URI schemes without fragment identifiers.
>>>
>>> While it's true that HTTP sends these URIs without fragids "on the wire" in the request-target, the schemes *do* allow fragids pretty much everywhere else they're used (including some places in HTTP, e.g., the Location header).
>>>
>>> Given that this is going to be the definition for these URI schemes, and we already require that the fragid be omitted in the request-target, shouldn't the syntax allow a fragment identifier?
>>
>> No.
>>
>> Fragment identifiers are allowed for *any* URI scheme; the scheme definition doesn't need to include it.
>
>
> Then why do we include query?

Because we are defining a 
<http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc3986.html#absolute-uri>.

Best regards, Julian