Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression?
Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> Tue, 19 February 2013 04:45 UTC
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From: Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
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On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 10:37 PM, Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> wrote: > On 19/02/2013, at 3:26 PM, Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> wrote: > >> On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com> wrote: >>> HTTP 1.1 has a request/response pattern. This covers 90% of needs but means >>> that if the protocol is followed correctly forces a round trip delay on each >>> content request. Which of course leads to various browsers pushing the >>> envelope and pushing multiple requests out before responses have come back. >>> >>> With content streams this is not necessary of course... In fact that is >>> pretty much the purpose of having streams. >>> >>> Which suggests a need for a Multi-GET method to allow a request for a list >>> of content... >>> >>> If we had such a method then the format would be something like >>> >>> MGET <Common Headers> List <URI, Content header> >>> >>> And the typical communication pattern of a browser would be: >>> >>> GET /toplevel.html >>> MGET </image1.jpg /image2.jpg ...> >>> >>> Given this particular communication pattern which has an implicit delta >>> encoding, do we really need to worry about a separate delta encoding? >> >> The problem here is that the user-agent needs to get the top-level >> resource first, then it will know the names of the other resources. >> We can probably do better. > > Nico, > > If I understand you, you're talking about making some really fundamental changes to the Web Architecture, which is squarely out of the WG's charter. Is Phillip's proposal also out of charter? > I don't mind discussing ideas and understanding how we got here, so long as they don't distract from our work. I get the feeling that this is starting to happen. > > Again, if you have a proposal, please write it up in detail and make it to the WG; endlessly discussing the minutia of a half-formed idea is not a productive use of anyone's time. I... posted twice on this, within minutes. Nico --
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- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? Cyrus Daboo
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? Helge Heß
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? James M Snell
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? Roberto Peon
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? Dr Robert Mattson
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? James M Snell
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? Dr Robert Mattson
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? Helge Hess
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? Helge Hess
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? Helge Hess
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? Mark Nottingham
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? Helge Hess
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? James M Snell
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? James M Snell
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? Willy Tarreau
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? Patrick McManus
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? Brian Pane
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? Mark Baker
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? Nico Williams
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? Nico Williams
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? Mark Nottingham
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? Nico Williams
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? Mark Nottingham
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? Nico Williams
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? Nicolas Mailhot
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? Julian Reschke
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? Nicolas Mailhot
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? James M Snell
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? Julian Reschke
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? Julian Reschke
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? Nicolas Mailhot
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? Julian Reschke
- Re: Multi-GET, extreme compression? Phillip Hallam-Baker