Re: Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-httpbis-client-hints-14: (with COMMENT)

Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Thu, 21 May 2020 16:30 UTC

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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 09:25:52 -0700
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To: Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in>
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Subject: Re: Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-httpbis-client-hints-14: (with COMMENT)
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On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 6:48 AM Alissa Cooper via Datatracker <
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> Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for
> draft-ietf-httpbis-client-hints-14: No Objection
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> Section 1: "passively providing such information allows servers to silently
> fingerprint the user" --> isn't pretty much all fingerprinting silent?
>
> Moreover, I think it would be good to explain in Section 1 that Client
> Hints
> provides a way for servers to actively fingerprint clients rather than
> doing it
> passively.
>

I actually don't think this characterization is correct. Specifically:

- When something that clients unilaterally send now is replaced by a client
hint (e.g., User-Agent) then this changes fingerprinting from passive to
active
- When something that you currently have to call a JS API to get is
replaced by a client hint, then this makes it *more* passive because the
server only has to take one action to get the hint indefinitely.

-Ekr



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