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Re: HTTP Alternative Services Best Practices?

Ryan Hamilton <rch@google.com> Wed, 18 December 2019 00:03 UTC

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From: Ryan Hamilton <rch@google.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 16:01:08 -0800
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To: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>
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On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 11:27 AM Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be> wrote:

> Saying that “persist=false would be deleterious” is a bit simplistic.
>

Yes, totally fair.

[snip] The right answer here is that you need to know which type of Alt-Svc
> you’re issuing.
>

Completely agree! All of which suggests some sort of Alt-Svc best
practices/guidance doc would be helpful here.

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