Re: Git Issues: PING
James M Snell <jasnell@gmail.com> Thu, 09 May 2013 17:03 UTC
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From: James M Snell <jasnell@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 10:01:13 -0700
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I'm working through issues relating to frame size currently. What I'd like to recommend is that the PING frame be limited to no more than 8-bytes of payload data. The PING sender can use these bytes however they want and they are completely opaque to the PING recipient. Most typically, I would think that these bytes would be used to encode a timestamp or correlation ID for the ping. On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Jeff Pinner <jpinner@twitter.com> wrote: > I would be cautious of giving semantic meaning to the payload, and an ID > larger than 4 bytes seems unnecessary. > > I do like the introduction of the PONG flag and the subsequent removal of > the restrictions on the ID field, letting the peer send whatever index into > their stored context that they like. > > > On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 2:56 PM, James M Snell <jasnell@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> The main argument I've seen for allowing a payload is so that the PING >> sender can include a stronger correlation token than just the ID (a >> timestamp, for instance). >> >> On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 1:51 PM, William Chan (陈智昌) >> <willchan@chromium.org> wrote: >> > +jpinner who filed the issue >> > >> > Unless anyone comes up with a motivating reason to add arbitrary >> > payloads, >> > let's just disallow them. This is what the SPDY/2 spec originally did >> > >> > (http://dev.chromium.org/spdy/spdy-protocol/spdy-protocol-draft2#TOC-PING) >> > "Length: This frame is always 4 bytes long." >> > >> > Unless I missed a PING discussion elsewhere, it looks refactoring >> > accidentally introduced a semantic change. Let's fix that. >> > >> > >> > On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 12:37 PM, James M Snell <jasnell@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Per https://github.com/http2/http2-spec/issues/68 ... >> >> >> >> The question is: "In the current draft, the PING frame requires the >> >> server to resend an arbitrarily large payload.... Perhaps restrict the >> >> length of the PING frame to 0, allow any stream identifier in the >> >> header require the server to echo the identifier? ... I'm not sure >> >> what benefit being able to echo arbitrary contents provides." >> >> >> >> Placing a cap on the size of the Ping payload makes sense. Whether >> >> that cap should be strictly mandated by the spec or established via >> >> SETTINGS is an open question, however. Perhaps the spec ought to place >> >> a strict upper limit and allow recipients to optionally specify a more >> >> restrictive value via SETTINGS? >> >> >> >> - James >> >> >> > > >
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- Re: Git Issues: PING James M Snell
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