Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop problem
Stuart Douglas <stuart.w.douglas@gmail.com> Fri, 19 September 2014 01:01 UTC
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Subject: Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop problem
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I also think that this should not be in the HTTP2 spec, and looking the WG's HTTP2 charter I think that is explicitly listed as being out of scope: Explicitly out-of-scope items include: * Specifying the use of alternate transport-layer protocols. Note that it is expected that the Working Group will work with the TLS working group to define how the protocol is used with the TLS Protocol; any revisions to RFC 2818 will be done in the TLS working group. Stuart Roy T. Fielding wrote: > I still don't believe that any of these requirements belong in h2, > and I won't implement them even if they end up in the RFC. It is > not the HTTP server's responsibility to second-guess the configuration > regarding the security properties of the underlying connections. > We have no idea what hardware or gateways might be doing to secure those > connections. We don't even know what TLS library is being used, > since all we see is an API into someone else's code. > > TLS requirements belong in the TLS code. > > ....Roy > >
- 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop prob… Greg Wilkins
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Eric Rescorla
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Simone Bordet
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Patrick McManus
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Simone Bordet
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Patrick McManus
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Patrick McManus
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Michael Sweet
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Michael Sweet
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Michael Sweet
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Simone Bordet
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Eric Rescorla
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Michael Sweet
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
- RE: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Andrei Popov
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Brian Smith
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Michael Sweet
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Michael Sweet
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Brian Smith
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Eric Rescorla
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Amos Jeffries
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Brian Smith
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Cory Benfield
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Roland Zink
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Brian Smith
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Stuart Douglas
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Cory Benfield
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Roland Zink
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Patrick McManus
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Roy T. Fielding
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Simone Bordet
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Simone Bordet
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Roy T. Fielding
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Jason Greene
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Stuart Douglas
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Willy Tarreau
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Willy Tarreau
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Willy Tarreau
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Cory Benfield
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Stuart Douglas
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Amos Jeffries
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Cory Benfield
- RE: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Andrei Popov
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Ilari Liusvaara
- RE: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Andrei Popov
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Roy T. Fielding
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Eric Rescorla
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Jim Manico
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Jason Greene
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Eric Rescorla
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Jason Greene
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Eric Rescorla
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Jason Greene
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Simone Bordet
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Mark Nottingham
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Jason Greene
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Patrick McManus
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Willy Tarreau
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Eric Rescorla
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Eric Rescorla
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Eric Rescorla
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Eric Rescorla
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Eric Rescorla
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Willy Tarreau
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Julian Reschke
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Roland Zink
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Michael Sweet
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Eric Rescorla
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Simone Bordet
- RE: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Andrei Popov
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Jason Greene
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Eric Rescorla
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Eric Rescorla
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Greg Wilkins
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Eric Rescorla
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Amos Jeffries
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Roland Zink
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Roland Zink
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Eric Rescorla
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Roland Zink
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Simone Bordet
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Roland Zink
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Simone Bordet
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Roland Zink
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Simone Bordet
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Amos Jeffries
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Stuart Douglas
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Roland Zink
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Simone Bordet
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Michael Sweet
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Michael Sweet
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Eric Rescorla
- RE: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Andrei Popov
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Martin Thomson
- RE: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … Rob Trace
- Re: 9.2.2 Cipher fallback and FF<->Jetty interop … John Mattsson