Re: Reference set in HPACK
"Eric J. Bowman" <eric@bisonsystems.net> Thu, 03 July 2014 23:47 UTC
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Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2014 17:43:51 -0600
From: "Eric J. Bowman" <eric@bisonsystems.net>
To: RUELLAN Herve <Herve.Ruellan@crf.canon.fr>
Cc: Roberto Peon <grmocg@gmail.com>, Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>, Kazu Yamamoto <kazu@iij.ad.jp>, HTTP Working Group <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
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Subject: Re: Reference set in HPACK
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RUELLAN Herve wrote: > > > Poor caching consequences of *mis-*using inlining. I still don't see > > how it applies to how I, or anyone I know, uses inlining. I also > > disagree that an efficient push mechanism will stop me from inlining > > all the little images which make up the "chrome" of a site design > > (which surely don't need to be first-order resources). > > > > Say for instance, I have several "slivers" of gradient or whatever > > that I'm going to repeat-x repeat-y. Inlining these into one image > > has no downside vis-a-vis caching, plus the upside that it can > > shave maybe 80% of the bytes incurred by image-format overhead. How > > would using push to send them individually, benefit me in any way? > > I think you are using different definitions of inlining. Your view of > inlining is to pack several images into one big image. Roberto's view > is to encode these images inside the html document (this is more > relevant for javascript and css than for images). > Inlining can also refer to embedding images in CSS as data. Thanks for clarifying, I was wondering if we were talking around each other. > > With one large html document including the images, you don't need to > request these images after receiving the html, but you can't cache > them for the next html document. > OK, that makes sense, thanks. -Eric
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- Re: Reference set in HPACK Roberto Peon
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- Re: Reference set in HPACK Michael Sweet
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- Re: Reference set in HPACK Martin Thomson
- Re: Reference set in HPACK Eric J. Bowman
- Re: Reference set in HPACK Roberto Peon
- Re: Reference set in HPACK Eric J. Bowman
- Re: Reference set in HPACK Roberto Peon
- Re: Reference set in HPACK Eric J. Bowman
- RE: Reference set in HPACK RUELLAN Herve
- Re: Reference set in HPACK Eric J. Bowman
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