Re: draft-ietf-httpbis-jfv: what's next

Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> Mon, 17 October 2016 21:03 UTC

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From: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
To: Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>
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On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 08:50:38PM +0000, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> --------
> In message <CAEK7mvoXNf_KdpQhj2kwiRLaHm-C1BtjduUgy1cwOnCQ265yzg@mail.gmail.com>
> , Matt Menke writes:
> 
> >I don't think it needs to be that complicated.  If there's just a prefix
> >before all types (Say '#' for numbers, '&' for times, and '!' for
> >identifiers), we don't have to exclude the prefix characters from
> >identifiers, do we?
> 
> True, if we prefix all values we can avoid that problem.
> 
> However, that would kill one of the major attraction of CS:  That
> 19 RFC723x headers already conform to it.

This is actually a very good point that we constantly need to keep in mind
and which is the best justification for not using prefixes on field names.

Willy