IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: HTTP/2 and TCP CWND

Roberto Peon <grmocg@gmail.com> Tue, 16 April 2013 03:48 UTC

Return-Path: <ietf-http-wg-request@listhub.w3.org>
X-Original-To: ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E2FD21F8F26 for <ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 20:48:07 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -10.598
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2UUYDCBUk2no for <ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 20:48:06 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6742A21F8E66 for <httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@lists.ietf.org>; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 20:48:06 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <ietf-http-wg-request@listhub.w3.org>) id 1URwrL-0006sE-Dl for ietf-http-wg-dist@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 16 Apr 2013 03:47:07 +0000
Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 03:47:07 +0000
Resent-Message-Id: <E1URwrL-0006sE-Dl@frink.w3.org>
Received: from maggie.w3.org ([128.30.52.39]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <grmocg@gmail.com>) id 1URwrI-0006rY-PO for ietf-http-wg@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 16 Apr 2013 03:47:04 +0000
Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com ([209.85.214.172]) by maggie.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <grmocg@gmail.com>) id 1URwrG-0005N1-C2 for ietf-http-wg@w3.org; Tue, 16 Apr 2013 03:47:04 +0000
Received: by mail-ob0-f172.google.com with SMTP id eh20so62800obb.3 for <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 20:46:36 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=TQZcUUnTF6dvlkfwb+wpoZRYSkNc1xEf7y0HuoDIxcI=; b=p9Vi3GdOarpPDtjyZOokwwxvNRRhLC/OhIsc6kXFBDbPtwS9Wwr5nWKf9wjxTrZcXM yyYoUtSSZALP6DvBSRIzgF3jY8EHQbPnUViszpsU31lfK0f2U0BvUD6rNfVG0BRA3yFS 9dw53IL0WuPsgU6liKEoXFubEkRCws7dfxKySx3LbAQXs1nHrcIU6IrMsgdU19P7gfwa GtFtW/29EPA2xDhWYBPF9cWhD77D88EznI8K6mAU6dKuBYVEEBUOnayxTOqkxZ6a7pc7 pZ1vUdSEvosCaiWjPk4SKNFVFtBGlBoEQz5Q/R9ow/yi/hgicChXVeyHzfZndbhxXUtr /rUg==
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Received: by 10.60.146.162 with SMTP id td2mr209517oeb.32.1366083995985; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 20:46:35 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.76.141.83 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 20:46:35 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <op.wvl23t2miw9drz@beryllium.bredbandsbolaget.se>
References: <516B8824.8040904@cisco.com> <DF8F6DB7E5D58B408041AE4D927B2F48CBB88103@CINURCNA14.e2k.ad.ge.com> <CAP+FsNfeUtKfOMPKriYP7Ak_YzsjEFKvprJOAQaxYP7_BxTBsw@mail.gmail.com> <cf53405c48dc431693573a9148776c8a@BN1PR03MB072.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> <CAOdDvNpidZwfMS_y_Hy56UjOaD9uNi-s=B9MErQSq4Msd3oBKw@mail.gmail.com> <op.wvl23t2miw9drz@beryllium.bredbandsbolaget.se>
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 20:46:35 -0700
Message-ID: <CAP+FsNcAYrZ328Mgh8nyZBNF1bPvdc002o9UjS7QHV0k3tYLHA@mail.gmail.com>
From: Roberto Peon <grmocg@gmail.com>
To: Martin Nilsson <nilsson@opera.com>
Cc: HTTP Working Group <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="047d7b5d42d850f01c04da7237eb"
Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.214.172; envelope-from=grmocg@gmail.com; helo=mail-ob0-f172.google.com
X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4
X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: AWL=-1.722, BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001
X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1URwrG-0005N1-C2 e3bdb75c0d84d9f88275963cc827684c
X-Original-To: ietf-http-wg@w3.org
Subject: Re: HTTP/2 and TCP CWND
Archived-At: <http://www.w3.org/mid/CAP+FsNcAYrZ328Mgh8nyZBNF1bPvdc002o9UjS7QHV0k3tYLHA@mail.gmail.com>
Resent-From: ietf-http-wg@w3.org
X-Mailing-List: <ietf-http-wg@w3.org> archive/latest/17247
X-Loop: ietf-http-wg@w3.org
Resent-Sender: ietf-http-wg-request@w3.org
Precedence: list
List-Id: <ietf-http-wg.w3.org>
List-Help: <http://www.w3.org/Mail/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-http-wg-request@w3.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Long term, yes, absolutely.
But, realistically, today we need to deal with the HUGE set of clients who
won't be getting an update to their stack in the next 10 years...
-=R


On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 7:12 PM, Martin Nilsson <nilsson@opera.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 03:45:11 +0200, Patrick McManus <mcmanus@ducksong.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>> If we break down the arbitrary layer barrier and inject some history into
>> the algorithm, in this case via SETTINGS, you get something more powerful
>> than a default constant.
>>
>
> Shouldn't the first option be to attempt injecting this history without
> breaking layers, like adding a TCP option?
>
> /Martin Nilsson
>
> --
> Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
>
>

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email