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Re: draft-ietf-httpbis-jfv: what's next

Frederik Braun <fbraun@mozilla.com> Wed, 19 October 2016 09:02 UTC

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From: Frederik Braun <fbraun@mozilla.com>
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Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 10:57:10 +0200
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On 17.10.2016 23:43, Daniel Stenberg wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Oct 2016, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> 
>> Do you really still see HTTP/0.9 reponses in the wild ?
> 
> Yes. Of course subject to debate around what "in the wild" means...
> 

There was a recent security bug with regards to HTTP/0.9 compat [1] that
suggested a coordinated fix among multiple browsers. Browser vendors
decided that they'd start off killing HTTP/0.9 compat on non-standard
ports only, because overall usage was still too high.
Firefox has HTTP 0.9 usage data[2] and so do other browsers. Please
chime in.

Hope that helps,
Frederik



[1] See entry in Bugzilla with links to Webkit and Chrome bug:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1262128
[2] I'm new to our telemetry dashboard, so maybe there could be a more
useful graph than this one
 https://telemetry.mozilla.org/new-pipeline/dist.html#!cumulative=0&end_date=2016-09-22&keys=__none__!__none__!__none__&max_channel_version=release%252F49&measure=HTTP_09_INFO&min_channel_version=null&product=Firefox!Fennec&sanitize=1&sort_keys=submissions&start_date=2016-09-16&table=0&trim=1&use_submission_date=0

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