Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem
"Eric J. Bowman" <eric@bisonsystems.net> Wed, 02 July 2014 09:45 UTC
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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2014 03:42:50 -0600
From: "Eric J. Bowman" <eric@bisonsystems.net>
To: Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>
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Subject: Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem
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"Poul-Henning Kamp" wrote: > > We have two (or more ?) major-ish browsers nixing HTTP/1 upgrade. > > We have a number of proxies (involved in about 30-50% of all HTTP1 > content delivery) nixing CONTINUATION and we have a lot of webmasters > who have yet to see any evidence that adding HTTP/2 support would > ever be worth their while. > +1 > > And we have talk about HTTP/3.0 before HTTP/2.0 even got to Last > Rites. > +1, I wouldn't be re-participating here if it weren't for the "we'll get it right in HTTP/3" mantra, a major indicator of problems with HTTP/2 in general, leading me to some of the same specifics PHK mentions. I'd make technical arguments (which I'm certainly capable of if I thought it worthwhile) if I believed the issues with this protocol were being resolved based on what's best for the Web. Which I don't, leading me to frowned-upon political discussion about motives. > > Maybe the mistake was to rename SPDY ? > > If this draft had been named SPDY and with a stated goal of "giving > a better user experience" at a subset of large web-properties at > the expense of interoperability with HTTP/1, then it would be a > very fine draft indeed, because most people could just ignore it and > firewalls and content-filters could just block it and force > fall-back to HTTP/1.0. > > But naming it HTTP/2.0 rightfully raises the expectations a LOT, > and the talk about HTTP/3 already now makes it painfully obvious > that those expectations are not even close to being been met. > +1 -Eric
- Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Mark Nottingham
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Mark Nottingham
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Cory Benfield
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Patrick McManus
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Jason Greene
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Willy Tarreau
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Jeff Pinner
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Willy Tarreau
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Jason Greene
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Johnny Graettinger
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Willy Tarreau
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem James Adjamli
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Jeff Pinner
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Willy Tarreau
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Willy Tarreau
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Adrian Cole
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem James M Snell
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Mike Belshe
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Mike Belshe
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Nicolas Mailhot
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Nicolas Mailhot
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Eric J. Bowman
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Nicolas Mailhot
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Mike Belshe
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Mark Nottingham
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Greg Wilkins
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Mike Belshe
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Mark Nottingham
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Greg Wilkins
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Mike Belshe
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Peter Ghosh
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Mike Belshe
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Mike Belshe
- RE: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Mike Bishop
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem William Chan (陈智昌)
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Mike Belshe
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Poul-Henning Kamp
- Changing the Internet was: Encouraging a healthy … Roland Zink
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Yoav Nir
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Greg Wilkins
- Re: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem Poul-Henning Kamp