Re: 6455 Websockets and the relationship to HTTP

Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> Fri, 02 December 2016 00:23 UTC

Return-Path: <ietf-http-wg-request+bounce-httpbisa-archive-bis2juki=lists.ie@listhub.w3.org>
X-Original-To: ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE92129A10 for <ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 1 Dec 2016 16:23:51 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -9.397
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.397 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HNBNz3Z21az0 for <ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 1 Dec 2016 16:23:49 -0800 (PST)
Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C0B49129A0F for <httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@lists.ietf.org>; Thu, 1 Dec 2016 16:23:49 -0800 (PST)
Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <ietf-http-wg-request@listhub.w3.org>) id 1cCbaR-0002YE-N7 for ietf-http-wg-dist@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2016 00:20:23 +0000
Resent-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 00:20:23 +0000
Resent-Message-Id: <E1cCbaR-0002YE-N7@frink.w3.org>
Received: from mimas.w3.org ([128.30.52.79]) by frink.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <martin.thomson@gmail.com>) id 1cCbaL-0002X7-Ev for ietf-http-wg@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2016 00:20:17 +0000
Received: from mail-qk0-f173.google.com ([209.85.220.173]) by mimas.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <martin.thomson@gmail.com>) id 1cCbaE-0007oj-WA for ietf-http-wg@w3.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2016 00:20:12 +0000
Received: by mail-qk0-f173.google.com with SMTP id x190so263481314qkb.0 for <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>; Thu, 01 Dec 2016 16:19:50 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XWQvXnmKB7WksklZlaHeG3de51RDow7MS8jfXr0q/Sk=; b=UR1Z4frJuQWDDMie3I8Vb8bqohxLCywKhs871C7hR9ZwEDhUweNAYRyB31n04Bfaur BRuswDs1ooD+wuZAEQytu/0S29eoiz2V/z7VpIIQUwqIXNoG80D+PsfWoNn0JvRdUlW8 pGToRH/n1lCgySU0M1GMK+lTlnXOQrptSBui5Bvr/MO0OKZFQGoN657qyxqNGHjjblhM AzSVMW8BzpwqJhjjLJEz0Do+QnsfVkYbU4fa1gCjb3qpdm42OIhQNHC8eqGiJftMgBqx N9Tc2JjsIi+RR96bMtp9j2l+0jj9O3c1aC6uaZRJ1VhTIMY2T8rdNjRQCw8MIVHTL6lh BwYw==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XWQvXnmKB7WksklZlaHeG3de51RDow7MS8jfXr0q/Sk=; b=hzAJMm0lKMD5qZVAxbRojt3ANCkC6EBjKS+9dxSoGieTepTiEhr+BtEUHU32cz81GI i+roXzkexJapnamtH+hkndwpyt6Pm7ZajEh/yOY8qGv2V9jQ0m4mshl9wbEcgox7Ski7 2yyzt7j7q6o0deGH/g+aw4MI+CJJwuV0XVJhWwnxna/fYrfwhSU1dnUhQZvgWr9cD3wf oau6WOxeMLtlScBhvwOji8V9C1dYLAjs9TQKLguUGGxgtzxNx2fbQfrvuYWlRUyhFdNc xmyX3KoonU9oklAlyeE0WSj/ocVGHPm97zbNBRIU94rn/0/VahGC+c8X8T9wn/tH5DmT cTkw==
X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC01IX7m0XN+uptDSpLL9somfmvYJVpegnVK2f8D4GFZJ0G/Oidow8KoMKDodONn7RZz+3Q6ljNfR1So+4g==
X-Received: by 10.55.184.68 with SMTP id i65mr38713013qkf.5.1480637984833; Thu, 01 Dec 2016 16:19:44 -0800 (PST)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.140.38.233 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Dec 2016 16:19:44 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <39F32B28-7116-478A-B02A-E8310EA6E189@mnot.net>
References: <CAOdDvNqk7W_oNWUismMb-ZuhvdboZNDQ0YV2BLsbka-FGC-7oA@mail.gmail.com> <39F32B28-7116-478A-B02A-E8310EA6E189@mnot.net>
From: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 11:19:44 +1100
Message-ID: <CABkgnnVZeLQGES5Dige8u+ukSgqSfJNKiCuL=oK3gQnAb_3LNw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
Cc: Patrick McManus <pmcmanus@mozilla.com>, HTTP Working Group <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.220.173; envelope-from=martin.thomson@gmail.com; helo=mail-qk0-f173.google.com
X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.1
X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: AWL=0.103, BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, W3C_AA=-1, W3C_DB=-1, W3C_IRA=-1, W3C_WL=-1
X-W3C-Scan-Sig: mimas.w3.org 1cCbaE-0007oj-WA 56379db19355c93ca0c1f97e05e8dbc0
X-Original-To: ietf-http-wg@w3.org
Subject: Re: 6455 Websockets and the relationship to HTTP
Archived-At: <http://www.w3.org/mid/CABkgnnVZeLQGES5Dige8u+ukSgqSfJNKiCuL=oK3gQnAb_3LNw@mail.gmail.com>
Resent-From: ietf-http-wg@w3.org
X-Mailing-List: <ietf-http-wg@w3.org> archive/latest/33075
X-Loop: ietf-http-wg@w3.org
Resent-Sender: ietf-http-wg-request@w3.org
Precedence: list
List-Id: <ietf-http-wg.w3.org>
List-Help: <http://www.w3.org/Mail/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-http-wg-request@w3.org?subject=unsubscribe>

On 2 December 2016 at 11:09, Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> wrote:
> In particular, my recollection of the outcome of the discussion of WS in H2 was that a new SETTING or a new ALPN token could be used to indicate that a connection supports both H2 and WS. If there's a problem with doing so, that would be good to talk about as well. Especially considering QUIC.

There seems to be some reluctance to exercise that option.  I don't
understand why; I've a bunch of candidate theories, but none of them
make a lot of sense.