Re: HTTPS 2.0 without TLS extension?

Mike Belshe <mike@belshe.com> Mon, 22 July 2013 16:03 UTC

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It should be available quite easily through OpenSSL and NSS long before
http/2 ships.

The structured integration with the SSL handshake is a much cleaner
protocol.

Mike



On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 5:06 AM, Zhong Yu <zhong.j.yu@gmail.com> wrote:

> The draft mandates TLS extension ALPN for any https 2.0 connections,
> but why is that necessary? Why can't we also establish an https 2.0
> connection through the Upgrade mechanism, without ALPN? TLS extension
> may not be available/convenient on some platforms for some time;
> requiring it may discourage some potential implementers.
>
> Zhong Yu
>
>