Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over Byte-Stream Oriented Wire Protocols (HTTP)
Takeshi Yoshino <tyoshino@google.com> Fri, 28 October 2016 18:17 UTC
Return-Path: <ietf-http-wg-request+bounce-httpbisa-archive-bis2juki=lists.ie@listhub.w3.org>
X-Original-To: ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D8BE129676 for <ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 11:17:34 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -6.951
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.951 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.431, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=google.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YxE__ZSU2GFl for <ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 11:17:31 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF0581295C0 for <httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@lists.ietf.org>; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 11:17:31 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <ietf-http-wg-request@listhub.w3.org>) id 1c0Bf3-0003Bo-DK for ietf-http-wg-dist@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 18:13:49 +0000
Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 18:13:49 +0000
Resent-Message-Id: <E1c0Bf3-0003Bo-DK@frink.w3.org>
Received: from mimas.w3.org ([128.30.52.79]) by frink.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <tyoshino@google.com>) id 1c0Bez-0003Al-BK for ietf-http-wg@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 18:13:45 +0000
Received: from mail-oi0-f44.google.com ([209.85.218.44]) by mimas.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <tyoshino@google.com>) id 1c0Bet-0003b2-Ep for ietf-http-wg@w3.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 18:13:40 +0000
Received: by mail-oi0-f44.google.com with SMTP id i127so135535971oia.2 for <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 11:13:18 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=2IaI5NnNSfhVru+guW7tB38cKQE+3649shkjhJfJEPU=; b=K99KJD/60GEzVbimG2vArGdmNjH1ISYF4gZhHVLADKgYgv0+uhf4GZeqPSeaMb942Q aBZtitc4jKJlrhzA6w5ZHYY/yW3GSP3OjYR7uc7u+iM3T5ANx0/pawTpMYmAhD4Kiv0A iRP0Jwu4Bbg/CJr9dgYDS2BTihYnFkjHnyj6rTq3/z9sD0nfHYQq+yZyUL2/nP1+8XYy NzJd/1x9E1sa2dsKTHTM73/47AL0HvFfh6mchuW+YfWfm4LVVsFa0mXn6nXAKvYNK8qg p/JKqV2GU+Hu7bpr77TwzfmkKt8/Pf09ujf98AlTeTRWE9c2TXe/VKVkpLM/aqrIMa/s 1j5Q==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=2IaI5NnNSfhVru+guW7tB38cKQE+3649shkjhJfJEPU=; b=Zz7NI82usqKDwcTQJO4RPLvUMiWa6qUU70KXrIiJn/w0K6p+mIE0s35WjI4EGAAjVC Ry5tt7syEmLq0f26eZ45P4oHQhnA8vH3L2SODVqeza0JoE+9RHPgTdj+RKqR+yXAAbf/ uRLnTDz93a9qCWvvc1pTksAy3xpc+qyEQD622accPBO9TwYMKvkldO2peM1AjnjyB4y4 7Nk/uRgPB1oPr/p+70vrhn2MrYbI+Cy0yiqVPtGDOyiSigkaJCf5OVYMMtGQiK1fkUmZ 1YT2X4/UZ7FI+p8/9p1fJOP7QcKvH5Grfuh03y/jp+BTr9vEIvHiV6Lzy3MHKHMo+sth P9RQ==
X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvd42Fn7Dk0UJjDOxdNI9jjbhSSGdO0djLXU/hl0X1QnHh+by11FXowKTDXW4Qkt4mcnRSXyryxcHjXN1M9l
X-Received: by 10.107.154.134 with SMTP id c128mr12293053ioe.184.1477678393130; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 11:13:13 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.79.113.68 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 11:12:52 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <508f7085-b6b9-572e-7b0f-26cafc94dd44@ninenines.eu>
References: <CAH9hSJZdBJ02+Z6o=aanZ=5PN=9VwyL1ZcX2jct-6f_FFivLGA@mail.gmail.com> <0f79ddf6-c455-c41a-f269-a1bdcef05b14@ninenines.eu> <CAH9hSJb2R9gv2vNqoyTjbMV4hZTYdpX2PoAoYgWUT1UuigLHRA@mail.gmail.com> <5541be74-afcc-6aef-404e-63acb2f608eb@ninenines.eu> <CAH9hSJarsNFqX1tAL7BZmZQwUrEQs1X3wtrAPuMyz8s-k_7WRg@mail.gmail.com> <43998e7b-9227-7562-b2c6-c08134065e22@ninenines.eu> <CAD3-0rPRPzVvYb6_Z4wDZp73L5Kyb7LmE0P5j4A-2VSRwT7FMw@mail.gmail.com> <CAH9hSJb=mWdHP8xcBis8-jhWgQTfN-cgQXVV3eCyT4U8JYQHZA@mail.gmail.com> <CAP8-FqnLaRvyQgXXkoNQPKcyMhv-O3RN67CMw5L_-1iQ9c6mhw@mail.gmail.com> <CAH9hSJYpsPW4S9n2LaaLTYYKB7wR3Sod2=fny2CZoUR7A0bSJA@mail.gmail.com> <CAP8-FqkOX1Sq6_=Sgb++QRiDWKEiOxAJ13kzMSr9heu-Ek3QmA@mail.gmail.com> <508f7085-b6b9-572e-7b0f-26cafc94dd44@ninenines.eu>
From: Takeshi Yoshino <tyoshino@google.com>
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 03:12:52 +0900
Message-ID: <CAH9hSJZcGui08=DivN9vynKejvNFy+RYtRDYDnd6U6gxyX3UgQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Loïc Hoguin <essen@ninenines.eu>
Cc: Costin Manolache <costin@gmail.com>, Wenbo Zhu <wenboz@google.com>, "ietf-http-wg@w3.org Group" <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1140b9a4b74f1d053ff0cf7c"
Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.218.44; envelope-from=tyoshino@google.com; helo=mail-oi0-f44.google.com
X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.7
X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: AWL=0.715, BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.418, SPF_PASS=-0.001, W3C_AA=-1, W3C_DB=-1, W3C_IRA=-1, W3C_WL=-1
X-W3C-Scan-Sig: mimas.w3.org 1c0Bet-0003b2-Ep 3cf98d80526a480fd597d57948b88b14
X-Original-To: ietf-http-wg@w3.org
Subject: Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over Byte-Stream Oriented Wire Protocols (HTTP)
Archived-At: <http://www.w3.org/mid/CAH9hSJZcGui08=DivN9vynKejvNFy+RYtRDYDnd6U6gxyX3UgQ@mail.gmail.com>
Resent-From: ietf-http-wg@w3.org
X-Mailing-List: <ietf-http-wg@w3.org> archive/latest/32716
X-Loop: ietf-http-wg@w3.org
Resent-Sender: ietf-http-wg-request@w3.org
Precedence: list
List-Id: <ietf-http-wg.w3.org>
List-Help: <http://www.w3.org/Mail/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-http-wg-request@w3.org?subject=unsubscribe>
On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 2:55 AM, Loïc Hoguin <essen@ninenines.eu> wrote: > On 10/28/2016 08:41 PM, Costin Manolache wrote: > >> Current overhead is 2 bytes if frame is up to 125 bytes long - which I >> think it's not very common, >> 4 bytes for up to 64k, and 10 bytes for anything larger. >> IMHO adding one byte - i.e. making it fixed 5-byte, with first as is, >> and next 4 fixed length would >> be easiest to parse. >> > > Is making it easy (or easier) to parse even a concern anymore? > > Considering the number of agents and servers already supporting Websocket, > the numerous libraries for nearly all languages and the great > autobahntestsuite project validating it all, reusing the existing code is a > very sensible solution. > > Yeah, I've been having similar feeling regarding cost for parser/encoder implementation though I might be biased. > There are obviously too many options to encode and each has benefits - >> my only concern was >> that the choice of 1, 2, 8 bytes for length may not match common sizes. >> >> ( in webpush frames will be <4k ). >> > > -- > Loïc Hoguin > https://ninenines.eu >
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Takeshi Yoshino
- WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over Byte… Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Loïc Hoguin
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Van Catha
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Loïc Hoguin
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Loïc Hoguin
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Wenbo Zhu
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Wenbo Zhu
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Loïc Hoguin
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Costin Manolache
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Wenbo Zhu
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Costin Manolache
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Costin Manolache
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Loïc Hoguin
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Wenbo Zhu
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Van Catha
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Costin Manolache
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Costin Manolache
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Wenbo Zhu
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Costin Manolache
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Van Catha
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Van Catha
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Mark Nottingham
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Andy Green
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Mark Nottingham
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Andy Green
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Mark Nottingham
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Willy Tarreau
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Mark Nottingham
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Van Catha
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Poul-Henning Kamp
- RE: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Mike Bishop
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Van Catha
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Andy Green
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Van Catha
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Andy Green
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Martin J. Dürst
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Alexey Melnikov
- Re: WiSH: A General Purpose Message Framing over … Takeshi Yoshino