Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal
"David A. Bryan" <dbryan@ethernot.org> Wed, 29 September 2010 18:58 UTC
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So we have had a number of threads, some about possible work, some about details in the charter, etc. I think it is great to start thinking about a possible charter if this work turns into a WG, and some good reference drafts (thanks to Qin and the folks from Apple for putting these together), but I think another way to look at this might be to at least initially take a step back and see if the folks on the list can take a stab at some more basic questions. I think that was perhaps what Qin was getting at when we started this thread, but it is always good to refocus. I'll ask two really basic questions to the folks on list, and let's see what the opinions may be, and maybe we can move forward from there. Personally, I think that if we have a bar BoF, focusing just on these two basic questions (ok, one is a compound question, but one is basic!) might be a good way to move forward. I expect we'll have some VERY different answers. Remember that HTTP streaming may mean different things to people, and might even be the wrong term...but these are the things we need to try to figure out. So the two big questions: 1) On the topic of this list/HTTP streaming, what do you think is the problem/problems/scenario we should be looking at? 2) What other standards body work in this space are you aware of (including IETF work), and how do you think any new work would fit in (or not!) with the answer above? Yep, these are really broad, but to me, they seem to be at the heart of what we need to figure out to move forward. I think that at the beginning of this thread these were the basic questions Qin was looking to answer, and I think they are a great place to start. David 2010/9/26 Qin Wu <sunseawq@huawei.com>: > Hi, folks: > We have planned to have a BarBOF in time for Beijing IETF meeting. > > The primary goal of this BarBOF is to making sure that people agree on what > problem (or problems) need to be solved; > Some of these problems or interesting issues are summarized in my previous > email available at > (http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/httpstreaming/current/msg00002.html) > which was raised by people who are interested > in HTTP Streaming in the DISPATCH mailing list before we move to this new > discussion list. > The other problems come from HTTP streaming Problem statement > draft which I have updated recently > (http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wu-http-streaming-optimization-ps-01.txt). > > Another goal is to make sure we have not any overlapping with other SDO. > > In order to stimulate the discussion toward these two goals, I have crafted > intial charter skeleton. > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/httpstreaming/current/msg00003.html > > I would like us to center around these problems we listed and the intial > charter skeleton I drafted to figure out > (a) what kind of use cases can we have > (b) and how many problems are worth being discussed > (c) Is there any challenging issues we missed or neglected? > (d) and what kind of concrete protocol/mechanism/scheme can we come up > with? > > Also I would like to point out some related works in IETF for your > references. Curretly what we have on the table includes: > Apples' HTTP live streaming > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pantos-http-live-streaming-04 > HTTP Streaming Problem Statement > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wu-http-streaming-optimization-ps-001 > Implications of Full-Duplex HTTP > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhu-http-fullduplex-01 > If there is any related work missing or wrong, please let me know. Also I > would like to encourage people to bring your contributions > and thoughts in draft to this discussion list. > > Regards! > -Qin > > _______________________________________________ > httpstreaming mailing list > httpstreaming@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/httpstreaming > >
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Wenbo Zhu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal David A. Bryan
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ben Niven-Jenkins
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Luby, Michael
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Daniel Park
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Roni Even
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Roni Even
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Kathy McEwen
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Kathy McEwen
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Kathy McEwen
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Colin Perkins
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Lars Eggert
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Mark Watson
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ye-Kui Wang
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Wenbo Zhu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Wenbo Zhu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Wenbo Zhu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Mark Watson
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Wenbo Zhu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Lars Eggert
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Mark Watson
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ning Zong
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Mark Watson
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ning Zong
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Wenbo Zhu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ye-Kui Wang
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull (was Re: Current Sta… Ben Niven-Jenkins
- Re: [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull (was Re: Current… Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull (was Re: Current… Mark Watson
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull (was Re: Current… Ning Zong
- [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull Re: Current Status a… Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull Re: Current Stat… Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull Re: Current Stat… Thomas Stockhammer
- Re: [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull Re: Current Stat… Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull Re: Current Stat… Thomas Stockhammer
- Re: [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull Re: Current Stat… Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull Re: Current Stat… Thomas Stockhammer
- Re: [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull Re: Current Stat… Wenbo Zhu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Colin Perkins
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal David R Oran
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Benjamin Niven-Jenkins
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Thomas Stockhammer
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Colin Perkins
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Wenbo Zhu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ning Zong
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ning Zong
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)