Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal
Wenbo Zhu <wenboz@google.com> Sun, 10 October 2010 09:16 UTC
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From: Wenbo Zhu <wenboz@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal
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On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 12:45 AM, Ali C. Begen (abegen) <abegen@cisco.com> wrote: >> > Wanna give a specific example for "intermediaries"? I think you are referring to something besides the http caches. >> proxies. > > What should a proxy support for streaming? Proxies don't know anything about streaming, and they only understand HTTP. If the goal is to optimize the transport, then clearly defined protocol semantics would be necessary for proxies to distinguish streaming traffic from regular HTTP traffic. > >> > >> >> to offer direct support for streaming traffic, and different client >> >> platforms will also be able to improve end-user experience >> >> independently of vendor or media-protocol specific solutions. >> > >> > Sure but is not that all client implementation, which is mostly left for product differentiation? >> I am interested to find out whether existing implementations (that >> have successfully deployed HTTP-based streaming over internet) expose >> streaming resource via open protocols or API's? > > There are source codes floating around (with different licenses of course). Have you looked at OSMF and OVP? > http://openvideoplayer.sourceforge.net/ > http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/osmf/Open+Source+Media+Framework Thanks for the info. - Wenbo > > -acbegen > >
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Wenbo Zhu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal David A. Bryan
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ben Niven-Jenkins
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Luby, Michael
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Daniel Park
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Roni Even
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Roni Even
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Kathy McEwen
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Kathy McEwen
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Kathy McEwen
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Colin Perkins
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Lars Eggert
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Mark Watson
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ye-Kui Wang
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Wenbo Zhu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Wenbo Zhu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Wenbo Zhu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Mark Watson
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Wenbo Zhu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Lars Eggert
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Mark Watson
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ning Zong
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Mark Watson
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ning Zong
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Wenbo Zhu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ye-Kui Wang
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull (was Re: Current Sta… Ben Niven-Jenkins
- Re: [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull (was Re: Current… Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull (was Re: Current… Mark Watson
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull (was Re: Current… Ning Zong
- [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull Re: Current Status a… Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull Re: Current Stat… Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull Re: Current Stat… Thomas Stockhammer
- Re: [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull Re: Current Stat… Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull Re: Current Stat… Thomas Stockhammer
- Re: [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull Re: Current Stat… Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull Re: Current Stat… Thomas Stockhammer
- Re: [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull Re: Current Stat… Wenbo Zhu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Colin Perkins
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal David R Oran
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Benjamin Niven-Jenkins
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Thomas Stockhammer
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Colin Perkins
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Wenbo Zhu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ning Zong
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ning Zong
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)