Re: [httpstreaming] [dispatch] Q-HTTP

"Kathy McEwen" <kathy@iridescentnetworks.com> Wed, 10 November 2010 03:00 UTC

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From: "Kathy McEwen" <kathy@iridescentnetworks.com>
To: "'Lars Eggert'" <lars.eggert@nokia.com>, "'David Singer'" <singer@apple.com>
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Subject: Re: [httpstreaming] [dispatch] Q-HTTP
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One problem with the voice analogy is that the sheer volume of data
traversing the web today is not driven by voice...it's video...and it's not
even a fraction of the viewing that folks are doing of broadcast content.  A
solution that depends on "simply" having too much bandwidth, is that someone
is paying for it.  Eventually it hits someone's pocket books....and if there
isn't sufficient revenue to cover the costs, the too much does degrade.
Today the mass media is consumed via cheap broadcast technologies... why
shouldn't the web (fixed and mobile) be as cheap AND as good??  

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httpstreaming; dispatch@ietf.org; conex@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [httpstreaming] [dispatch] Q-HTTP

On 2010-11-9, at 18:31, David Singer wrote:
> It is that there are two ways to solve a real-time bandwidth need.  One is
to reserve bandwidth, manage QoS and so on;  one gets protocols and systems
like diffserv, ATM, and so on.  The other is simply to have 'too much' of
the resource.  Though it feels wrong, the latter often ends up being the
cheaper and easier solution.  So, for example, voice over IP is getting used
quite a lot, and to good effect, on the internet today not because we have
successfully deployed any bandwidth reservation or QoS management protocols
and systems, but because the available bandwidth is, for the most part,
greatly in excess of what is needed, and the systems can adapt in real-time
to what they get (rather than asking for what they want).  The same is true
for multimedia delivery;  the complexity of RTP + TCP friendliness + QoS
management is not worth it compared to having adaptable end-systems and
overall more bandwidth than needed.

Fully agreed. 

Folks who like pictures can take a look at
https://fit.nokia.com/lars/talks/2008-mit-cfp.pdf, which gives much the same
argument.

Lars