Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal
Ning Zong <zongning@huawei.com> Wed, 20 October 2010 12:17 UTC
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From: Ning Zong <zongning@huawei.com>
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Subject: Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal
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-----Original Message----- From: Ali C. Begen (abegen) [mailto:abegen@cisco.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 7:22 PM To: Ning Zong; Roni Even; David A. Bryan; Qin Wu Cc: httpstreaming@ietf.org Subject: RE: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal When the traffic is unicast, you don't have the problems we have in a multicast environment. The unicast traffic will naturally start from a random access point. [ZN]: I am a little bit confused by the word "naturally". Do you mean the unicast server will adjust the timing such that the starting packet/segment will always begin with RAP? In fact, not all the HTTP streaming system mandates that the segmentation should align with RAP. You might need some initialization data to start decoding or whatever, but all that comes from the server over unicast anyway. [ZN]: right, but the reference information is not always available to be transmitted at any time point even using unicast, unless there is a cache point. The same applies to both on-demand and live content. -acbegen > -----Original Message----- > From: Ning Zong [mailto:zongning@huawei.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:50 AM > To: Ali C. Begen (abegen); 'Roni Even'; 'David A. Bryan'; 'Qin Wu' > Cc: httpstreaming@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal > > IMO, the issue may not only related to multicast or unicast, but the QoE > improvement (e.g. reduce the startup time after user change the channel). If > I remember correctly, in the motivation of FCC in AVT, one important concern > is that the Retransmission server can store the most recent GoPs and feed > them to the client with faster rate than playback to effectively fill the > gap between the time point of user channel zapping and next complete GoP. > This improvement also applies to unicast based HTTP streaming, right? > The above concern also implies that adding some intelligence to > intermediaries would improve the streaming performance of HTTP streaming > system. To be more specific, having a deep look at the mechanisms of > distinguish different types of HTTP traffic (e.g. live streaming with higher > timing requirement v.s. normal packet, streaming packet containing I-frame > worthy of caching for further usage v.s. normal streaming packet) would be a > possible direction for consideration in this list. > > My two cents. > > BR, > Ning Zong > > -----Original Message----- > From: httpstreaming-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:httpstreaming-bounces@ietf.org] > On Behalf Of Ali C. Begen (abegen) > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 6:15 AM > To: Roni Even; David A. Bryan; Qin Wu > Cc: httpstreaming@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal > > > 2. Address the startup issue, we have worked in AVT on fast > channel/content > > change and I think this is relevant also in this case. > > Are you assuming a multicast environment for http streaming? Ow, the startup > issue is not an issue in unicast connections. > > -acbegen > _______________________________________________ > httpstreaming mailing list > httpstreaming@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/httpstreaming
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Wenbo Zhu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal David A. Bryan
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ben Niven-Jenkins
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Luby, Michael
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Daniel Park
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Roni Even
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Roni Even
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Kathy McEwen
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Kathy McEwen
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Kathy McEwen
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Colin Perkins
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Lars Eggert
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Mark Watson
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ye-Kui Wang
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Wenbo Zhu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Wenbo Zhu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Wenbo Zhu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Mark Watson
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Wenbo Zhu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Lars Eggert
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Mark Watson
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ning Zong
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Mark Watson
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ning Zong
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Wenbo Zhu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ye-Kui Wang
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Qin Wu
- [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull (was Re: Current Sta… Ben Niven-Jenkins
- Re: [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull (was Re: Current… Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull (was Re: Current… Mark Watson
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull (was Re: Current… Ning Zong
- [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull Re: Current Status a… Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull Re: Current Stat… Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull Re: Current Stat… Thomas Stockhammer
- Re: [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull Re: Current Stat… Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull Re: Current Stat… Thomas Stockhammer
- Re: [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull Re: Current Stat… Qin Wu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull Re: Current Stat… Thomas Stockhammer
- Re: [httpstreaming] Push Vs Pull Re: Current Stat… Wenbo Zhu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Colin Perkins
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal David R Oran
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Benjamin Niven-Jenkins
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Thomas Stockhammer
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Colin Perkins
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Wenbo Zhu
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ning Zong
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ning Zong
- Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal Ali C. Begen (abegen)