Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal

Ning Zong <zongning@huawei.com> Wed, 20 October 2010 08:48 UTC

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From: Ning Zong <zongning@huawei.com>
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Subject: Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal
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IMO, the issue may not only related to multicast or unicast, but the QoE
improvement (e.g. reduce the startup time after user change the channel). If
I remember correctly, in the motivation of FCC in AVT, one important concern
is that the Retransmission server can store the most recent GoPs and feed
them to the client with faster rate than playback to effectively fill the
gap between the time point of user channel zapping and next complete GoP.
This improvement also applies to unicast based HTTP streaming, right?
The above concern also implies that adding some intelligence to
intermediaries would improve the streaming performance of HTTP streaming
system. To be more specific, having a deep look at the mechanisms of
distinguish different types of HTTP traffic (e.g. live streaming with higher
timing requirement v.s. normal packet, streaming packet containing I-frame
worthy of caching for further usage v.s. normal streaming packet) would be a
possible direction for consideration in this list.

My two cents.

BR,
Ning Zong

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Subject: Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal

> 2. Address the startup issue, we have worked in AVT on fast
channel/content
> change and I think this is relevant also in this case.

Are you assuming a multicast environment for http streaming? Ow, the startup
issue is not an issue in unicast connections.

-acbegen
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