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Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal

"Ali C. Begen (abegen)" <abegen@cisco.com> Thu, 07 October 2010 00:28 UTC

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From: "Ali C. Begen (abegen)" <abegen@cisco.com>
To: Kathy McEwen <kathy@iridescentnetworks.com>
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> > Sure but preparing that content for multicast does not happen right away. If you want adaptive streaming style delivery
> over the web, you will incur delays. And there is wrong with that.

Sorry for the missing word. I meant there is *nothing* wrong with that.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kathy McEwen [mailto:kathy@iridescentnetworks.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 7:48 AM
> To: Ali C. Begen (abegen)
> Cc: <Even.roni@huawei.com>; <dbryan@ethernot.org>; <sunseawq@huawei.com>; <httpstreaming@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [httpstreaming] Current Status and Our Goal
> 
> There are ways to reduce and eliminate the delays to set up the multicast as well.  Adaptive streaming over the web does not
> preclude improvements to multicast efficiencies.  Rather, a co operative implementation of adaptive streaming and highly
> efficient multicasting is perhaps the needed secret sauce... To be made not so secret thru open industry standardization.

Oh well, I don't disagree with the above except the fact that some things are meant to stay as secret sauce. Furthermore, viewers are becoming more and more non-live content consumers even for the live events (for different reasons).

-acbegen
 
> .../Kathy

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