Re: [httpstreaming] QoE feedback support
"Ali C. Begen (abegen)" <abegen@cisco.com> Wed, 10 November 2010 14:57 UTC
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Cc: Ingemar Johansson S <ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com>, httpstreaming <httpstreaming@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [httpstreaming] QoE feedback support
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Sure but this does not answer my question afaict. -acbegen On Nov 10, 2010, at 9:09 PM, "David Singer" <singer@apple.com> wrote: > > On Nov 10, 2010, at 13:52 , Ali C. Begen (abegen) wrote: > > > I really find it very unattractive to call this stuff QoE reporting/feedback. Give me one example on what metric would measure my level of pleasure from a streaming service ;) > > > > -acbegen > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: httpstreaming-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:httpstreaming-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ingemar Johansson S > >> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:42 PM > >> To: httpstreaming > >> Subject: [httpstreaming] QoE feedback support > >> > >> FYI > >> > >> This document describes how QoE support is proposed for HTTP streaming in 3GPP. > >> http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/tsg_sa/WG4_CODEC/Ad-hoc_MBS/Docs_AHI/S4-AHI118.zip > >> I suspect that there exist a newer version and/or a better description. > >> > > we were actually just discussing this area at a 3G meeting, and I realized that there are really two kinds of metrics it is useful to get from clients: > > a) truly Qo Experience, that is, experiential metrics -- the mismatch between the user's expectation, and reality (tune-in delay, media they wanted to see but did not, and so on) > b) operational metrics -- amount of data fetched, buffer sizes maintained, and so on > > There are some in the middle, like bandwidth experienced, which are both operational and affect experience. > > David Singer > Multimedia and Software Standards, Apple Inc. >
- Re: [httpstreaming] QoE feedback support David Singer
- [httpstreaming] QoE feedback support Ingemar Johansson S
- Re: [httpstreaming] QoE feedback support Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] QoE feedback support Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] QoE feedback support Gunnar Heikkilä
- Re: [httpstreaming] QoE feedback support Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [httpstreaming] QoE feedback support Mark Watson