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Re: [httpstreaming] [dispatch] [conex] Q-HTTP

David Singer <singer@apple.com> Tue, 16 November 2010 19:39 UTC

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Subject: Re: [httpstreaming] [dispatch] [conex] Q-HTTP
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OK, so my example was slightly humorous.  But in general I think the claim that you can give preferential treatment -- preferential allocation of bandwidth -- to certain traffic simply because of its type is doubtful.  

Remember, this issue only comes up when there is a shortage;  and the thesis that I should be short-changed more (treated worse) than you because you are doing a real-time operation and I am not, is doubtful.

On Nov 16, 2010, at 10:46 , Mike Hammer (hmmr) wrote:

> David,
> 
> Let us be real.  If your file shows up 1 second later, does it matter?
> Probably not.
> 
> If my voice or video packet shows up 1 second later, does it matter?
> Yes, it gets dropped.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Singer [mailto:singer@apple.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 1:03 PM
> To: DIAZ VIZCAINO, LUIS MIGUEL (LUIS MIGUEL)
> Cc: Mikael Abrahamsson; Mike Hammer (hmmr); dispatch@ietf.org;
> Ingemar@core3.amsl.com; httpstreaming; conex@ietf.org; Johansson S;
> GARCIA ARANDA, JOSE JAVIER (JOSE JAVIER)
> Subject: Re: [httpstreaming] [dispatch] [conex] Q-HTTP
> 
> 
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 10:43 , DIAZ VIZCAINO, LUIS MIGUEL (LUIS MIGUEL)
> wrote:
> 
>>  Now think on Internet. You are playing a Real-Time game and your
> neighbours are just downloading files. 
> 
> I am downloading a critical file that will enable me to respond to an
> urgent legal issue I have;  you are merely playing games.  You can wait.
> 
> I paid the same as you for my bandwidth, so I should get at least fair
> treatment, if not preferential -:)
> 
> David Singer
> Multimedia and Software Standards, Apple Inc.
> 

David Singer
Multimedia and Software Standards, Apple Inc.

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