Re: [httpstreaming] [conex] [dispatch] Q-HTTP

Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se> Thu, 11 November 2010 08:00 UTC

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Subject: Re: [httpstreaming] [conex] [dispatch] Q-HTTP
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2010, GARCIA ARANDA, JOSE JAVIER (JOSE JAVIER) wrote:

> I fully agree with Paul Kyzivat and Luis miguel, in summary:
>
> - the contractual obligations of operators are very "light" "up to NNN bps".

In my market the consumer rights entity has worked with ISPs and gotten 
rid of that. It's not "between X and Y megabit/s as per this test-tool". 
If the ISP doesn't provide this, the customer has the right to cancel the 
contract.

> - these "light" obligations allow a low flat fee but not allow quality services

We have lower flat fees that in most markets, this is due to actual 
competition in the market. We also generally don't have any congestion in 
the ISP network, only on access.

> - "new age services" needs QoS, and final user will pay for that service to the content provider
> - content provider will pay network operator to provide the service to the end user with a minimum quality of experience
> - Tier-1 providers will need to evolve their model from a "per-bit" schema to a "per-bit-per-QoS" one

I strongly disagree. The Internet was successful because of "bill and 
keep". Let's not kill what has been a huge success.

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Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se