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Re: [httpstreaming] [dispatch] [conex] Q-HTTP

Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se> Fri, 12 November 2010 09:42 UTC

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Subject: Re: [httpstreaming] [dispatch] [conex] Q-HTTP
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On Fri, 12 Nov 2010, DIAZ VIZCAINO, LUIS MIGUEL (LUIS MIGUEL) wrote:

> Then, why on earth ALL ISPs are using QoS in THEIR networks to guarantee 
> their own VoIP and Broadcast TV services to their customers???

All ISPs aren't doing this. I've worked for at least two who has VoIP 
services without it. Skype has no such requirement.

> QoS is ALWAYS a MUST for ISPs to ensure real-time services at any 
> moment. Q-HTTP is trying to open up that window to other third parties.

No, it's not a MUST. It's nice to have and increases network tolerance, 
but I've worked for ISPs that used overprovisioning and cheap equipment 
that just got the job done, and this was cheaper than buying the more 
expensive equipment that had a lot of intelligence in it.

Using QoS is ONE way of doing it, it's not the only one.

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Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se

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