Re: [hybi] Last Call: <draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-10.txt> (The WebSocket protocol) to Proposed Standard

Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> Wed, 27 July 2011 18:09 UTC

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Subject: Re: [hybi] Last Call: <draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-10.txt> (The WebSocket protocol) to Proposed Standard
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On 7/27/11 1:13 PM, Willy Tarreau wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 06:07:12PM +0100, Dave Cridland wrote:
>> On Wed Jul 27 06:25:49 2011, Willy Tarreau wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 11:28:06AM +1000, Mark Andrews wrote:
>>>>> SRV provides load-balancing and failover. I never said that SRV  
>>> is a
>>>>> solution for temporaly put in maintenance a server.
>>>>
>>>> Happy eyeballs however does allow you to take a server out of  
>>> production
>>>> and not really notice it.  Note webbrowsers have had the ability  
>>> to do
>>>> this for as long as webbrowsers have existed.
>>>
>>> Mark, could you elaborate on this point ? Surely you're not talking  
>>> about
>>> the fact that a browser retries a failed connection, but I'm not  
>>> not sure
>>> what mechanism you're talking about.
>>
>> Happy eyeballs - try everything as soon as you can, in parallel. Drop  
>> everything else when one does.
> 
> This sensibly increases load on servers with useless connections, and
> is counter-efficient in mobile networks where sending uplink packets
> is the limiting factor !

Guys, it feels like you're playing ping-pong here. It's fun for us to
watch the ball go back and forth, but we're not moving forward. Can you
see a way to make progress toward consensus?

Peter

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