Re: [hybi] WS framing alternative

Greg Wilkins <gregw@webtide.com> Mon, 02 November 2009 21:52 UTC

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Roy et al,

about the one thing that we do have a rough consensus on here is
that there is a need for framing.

The Websocket protocol is little more than framing - which is why
there is a belief that it could/should form the basis of other
use-cases discussed here that also need framing.
But unfortunately it is rather inflexible and special case.

BWTP has more flexible framing - but is text based and has the
same problems as HTTP with regards to CRLF sentinels and verbose
tokens.

It would be really instructive if you could make more of waka's
design available....  if only the framing and meta data
parts.





cheers