Re: [hybi] Ticket#1 Http Compliance
Roberto Peon <fenix@google.com> Wed, 12 May 2010 16:39 UTC
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Subject: Re: [hybi] Ticket#1 Http Compliance
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On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 6:41 AM, Greg Wilkins <gregw@webtide.com> wrote: > All, > > Attached is a proposed diff (from me as individual - not as requirements > editor) > to the requirements document for HTTP Compliance. > > Formatted as text the patch results in: > > > REQ. 7: When sharing host and "well known" port with HTTP, the > WebSocket protocol MUST be HTTP/1.1 compliant until both ends have > established the WebSocket protocol. The protocol may prohibit the > usage of specific HTTP features. > On the handshake? Which features, specifically? I'm asking because the two sentences here come in fundamental conflict.. It is HTTP/1.1, but not really. I'd expect something like: On a connection established with the expectation that the primary or first protocol spoken is not WebSocket, the connection shall be considered that protocol and not WebSocket until a successful UPGRADE or similar change-of-protocol request is acknowledged. In the case of HTTP, WebSocket-only server implementations are required to implement the following subset of rfc2616, but are not required to implement any more than that. I apologize for the fast-and-loose verbiage here, but I hope I'm conveying my intent properly! -=R > > Reason: when operating on the standard HTTP ports, existing web > infrastructure may handle connections and requests according to > existing standards prior to the establishment of the new protocol. > It may also be desirable for consenting clients and servers to use > HTTP features such as authentication and redirection, prior to > establishing the websocket handshake. > > However, this requirement does not mean that a websocket > implementation that is not for general-purpose HTTP, need implement > any more of the HTTP protocol than is required to establish a > websocket connection. The minimal requirements of HTTP are small, as > indicated by the following extracts of RFC-2616: > > RFC-2616 5.1.1 The methods GET and HEAD MUST be supported by all > general-purpose servers. All other methods are OPTIONAL > RFC-2616 6.1.1 HTTP applications are not required to understand the > meaning of all registered status codes, though such understanding > is obviously desirable. However, applications MUST understand the > class of any status code, as indicated by the first digit, and > treat any unrecognized response as being equivalent to the x00 > status code of that class > RFC-2616 7.1 Unrecognized header fields SHOULD be ignored by the > recipient and MUST be forwarded by transparent proxies. > > > My intent with this wording is to not require any more of HTTP > to be implemented my minimal implementations, hence the extracts > from RFC2616 showing that there are few MUSTs in HTTP. > > This will allow arbitrary HTTP features to be used if > client and server desire to do so - which seams reasonable > as in many cases the client and server are going to have > full HTTP implementations available. > > However, it does allow the protocol to specifically prohibit > the use of features, if for example we decided that redirect > was a undesirable for some reason. > > regards > > > > _______________________________________________ > hybi mailing list > hybi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hybi > >
- [hybi] Ticket#1 Http Compliance Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Ticket#1 Http Compliance Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Ticket#1 Http Compliance Anne van Kesteren
- Re: [hybi] Ticket#1 Http Compliance Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Ticket#1 Http Compliance Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Ticket#1 Http Compliance Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Ticket#1 Http Compliance Salvatore Loreto
- Re: [hybi] Ticket#1 Http Compliance Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Ticket#1 Http Compliance Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Ticket#1 Http Compliance Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Ticket#1 Http Compliance Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Ticket#1 Http Compliance Anne van Kesteren
- Re: [hybi] Ticket#1 Http Compliance Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Ticket#1 Http Compliance Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Ticket#1 Http Compliance Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Ticket#1 Http Compliance Anne van Kesteren
- Re: [hybi] Ticket#1 Http Compliance Greg Wilkins
- [hybi] requirements document is a milestone (was … Salvatore Loreto
- Re: [hybi] Ticket#1 Http Compliance Scott Ferguson
- Re: [hybi] Ticket#1 Http Compliance Thomson, Martin
- Re: [hybi] Ticket#1 Http Compliance Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Ticket#1 Http Compliance Greg Wilkins