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Re: [hybi] web socket protocol in "last call"?

Salvatore Loreto <salvatore.loreto@ericsson.com> Wed, 28 October 2009 08:53 UTC

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Subject: Re: [hybi] web socket protocol in "last call"?
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Hi Ian,

the  WebSocket protocol is already an IETF draft so
It is not fair to start a last call in a different community to freeze 
the protocol without announce it
also in the IETF mailing list and ask if IETF people agree on freezing 
the protocol.
As WebSocket protocol is an Internet draft it should follow the IETF rules.

Moreover I have seen a lot of mail exchanges raising possible problems 
in the current version of the WebSocket draft
that you should consider and address in the draft or provide to the IETF 
community good technical reasons why you choose to not consider them

BR
Sal


Julian Reschke wrote:
> Ian Hickson wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009, Julian Reschke wrote:
>>> Citing <http://blog.whatwg.org/html5-at-last-call>:
>>>
>>> "There's also a version of the spec called Web Applications 1.0 (for 
>>> nostalgic reasons) that has all of the above as well as a number of 
>>> other specs, namely Web Storage, Web Database, Server-sent Events, 
>>> and the Web Sockets API and protocol, all together in one document. 
>>> With the exception of the Web Database spec, they're all now in last 
>>> call at the WHATWG."
>>>
>>> Ian, could you please explain what you mean by "last call" in this 
>>> context?
>>
>> We're starting to see implementations of the WebSocket protocol, so I 
>> wanted to encourage comments from the wider Web authoring community 
>> before it's too late (i.e. before we are frozen by shipped 
>> implementations). In the conventions we're using at the WHATWG (based 
>> on the W3C terminology), the stability of spec sections is goes 
>> through First Draft, then Working Draft, then Last Call, then 
>> Candidate Recommendation. (This corresponds roughly to the formal 
>> WHATWG stages "Working Draft", "Call For Comments", and "Call For 
>> Implementations" as described in the WHATWG charter.) You can see the 
>> state of each section in the WHATWG draft by looking at the little 
>> boxes in the right hand margin.
>> ...
>
> "Freezing" the protocol by having implementations being shipped *now* 
> seems to be a problem if the protocol is supposed to become a work 
> item of a future IETF WG.
>
> BR, Julian
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