Re: [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake
Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org> Wed, 03 February 2010 03:27 UTC
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From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
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Subject: Re: [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake
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Greg Wilkins wrote: > And I shouldn't have said Ian is not listening. my apologies. > > He is listening. He's just not agreeing that it's a problem for > some HTTP developers to add extra constraints to the upgrade > response. I don't think that's true. As far as I remember, Ian hasn't disagreed with that, only argued that it isn't sufficient reason to change the spec. Remember, what makes life easier for those piggybacking on HTTP implementations also makes life *harder* for those writing WebSocket clients and servers from scratch. However I do basically think the right balance has not been struck, and that HTTP-compatible (or HTTP-similar) header flexibility will benefit WebSocket-only agents in the long run too. HTTP parsing isn't a tenth as complex as it looks in the HTTP spec, and most HTTP rules don't need to be followed in this situation. Even most headers can be ignored. Nobody would care if continuation lines were rejected as bad syntax. -- Jamie
- Re: [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake Justin Erenkrantz
- [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake Vladimir Katardjiev
- Re: [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake Francis Brosnan Blázquez
- Re: [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake Justin Erenkrantz
- Re: [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake Justin Erenkrantz
- Re: [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake Justin Erenkrantz
- Re: [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake Justin Erenkrantz
- Re: [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake Justin Erenkrantz
- Re: [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake Lars Eggert
- Re: [hybi] Redesigning the Web Socket handshake Maciej Stachowiak
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