Re: [hybi] Experiment comparing Upgrade and CONNECT handshakes

Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> Wed, 01 December 2010 18:34 UTC

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From: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
To: Adam Barth <ietf@adambarth.com>
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Subject: Re: [hybi] Experiment comparing Upgrade and CONNECT handshakes
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On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 09:00:35AM -0800, Adam Barth wrote:
> IMHO, we should adopt the CONNECT handshake first and discuss the
> details of what Host header to send second.

I agree that this work should be incremental. The difficulty as we're
working today is that you presented a replacement proposal. It is very
hard to agree on multiple changes at once.

If we want to progress, we should consider replacing just the GET+Upgrade
with a CONNECT and not change anything else (meaning we keep the host and
Hello framess). Only then we can study what else can be done.

Willy