[hybi] Proposed charter for HyBi BoF in Hiroshima
Joe Hildebrand <joe.hildebrand@webex.com> Tue, 22 September 2009 06:20 UTC
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Subject: [hybi] Proposed charter for HyBi BoF in Hiroshima
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Please suggest changes, this is just a first draft that tries to capture several conversations that we've had, including the bar BoF in Stockholm. -- Joe Hildebrand Chairs: * TBD * TBD Applications Area Director(s): * Lisa Dusseault <lisa.dusseault@gmail.com> * Alexey Melnikov <alexey.melnikov@isode.com> Applications Area Advisor: * Lisa Dusseault <lisa.dusseault@gmail.com> Mailing Lists: General Discussion: hybi@ietf.org To Subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hybi Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/hybi/current/maillist.html Description of Working Group: HTTP has in the past been used as a request/response protocol most often, leading to clients polling for new data or users hitting the refresh button in their browsers. Newer web applications are finding ways to push data from the server to the client as soon as it is available, through a variety of mechanisms. The Hypertext-Bidirectional (HyBi) working group will seek standardization of approaches that HTTP clients, servers, and intermediate boxes can use to communicate with one another in both directions. Since any modification of the web infrastructure may take a good amount of time to be deployed, outputs of the working group will include both short and long term solutions. The existing web being much more complicated than it seems, the working group will prioritize the characterization of the design space, including the web clients, intermediaries, firewalls, NATs, web servers, etc. into which both solutions will need to be deployed. For both short and long term, the amount of semantic encoded at the HyBi layer will be minimized, allowing multiple higher-level protocols to take advantage of the basic eventing mechanism. These higher-level protocols are out of scope for the working group, although liaison with other working groups will be encouraged. The short term approach will be deployable on today's Internet, across whichever current or historical web browsers the working group decides upon. Although wide browser support is a goal, lack of support on any single browser version will not be a sufficient cause to block consensus. The short term approach may also define hints to allow newer intermediaries to optimize traffic. In the long term, new features will be required of clients, servers, or intermediaries allowing a more scalable and robust end-to-end experience. Although multiple protocols exist as starting points for both the short and long term, backward compatibility with these protocols is not a requirement. In particular, the working group will liaison with the HTML5 working group of the W3C around the websockets protocol; if agreed by both parties, the HyBi working group may take over the development of the websockets protocol. The Working Group should consider: * Implementer experience * Impact on existing implementations and deployments * Ability to achieve broad implementation * Ability to address broader use cases than may be contemplated by the original authors The Working Group will produce one or more documents suitable for consideration as Proposed Standard that will: * Define requirements for short- and long-term solutions, including characterization of the design space * Define a short-term solution for the bi-directional web, deployable on today's Internet * Define a long-term solution for the bi-directional web, which will likely require modifications to the web infrastructure
- Re: [hybi] Proposed charter for HyBi BoF in Hiros… Peter Saint-Andre
- [hybi] Proposed charter for HyBi BoF in Hiroshima Joe Hildebrand
- Re: [hybi] Proposed charter for HyBi BoF in Hiros… Julian Reschke
- Re: [hybi] Proposed charter for HyBi BoF in Hiros… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [hybi] Proposed charter for HyBi BoF in Hiros… Julian Reschke
- Re: [hybi] Proposed charter for HyBi BoF in Hiros… Salvatore Loreto
- Re: [hybi] Proposed charter for HyBi BoF in Hiros… Julian Reschke
- Re: [hybi] Proposed charter for HyBi BoF in Hiros… Salvatore Loreto
- Re: [hybi] Proposed charter for HyBi BoF in Hiros… Maciej Stachowiak