Re: [hybi] Max frame size
Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) <ifette@google.com> Wed, 22 June 2011 10:16 UTC
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If a frame is sent that a server is unable to buffer for whatever reason, I would expect the server to close the connection with error code 1004 On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 3:11 AM, Francis Brosnan Blazquez <francis@aspl.es>wrote: > Hi Ian, > > > We spent almost a year before we got to the point on agreeing on > > framing. We're now in last call. It's not the time to re-open such > > lengthy conversations based on individual preferences > > I'm not trying to reconsider framing; that's ok. I'm talking about > providing a way to each party to advice is buffering capabilities which > has nothing to do with the framing format. > > > (e.g. you're not saying anything the group hasn't already considered). > > Possibly but the problem is yet not addressed. I think this will cause > lot of wrong patterns and a security problem at the server side like > passing to the app level not completed frame (unfragemented or not) but > just octects because the server was unable to buffer. > > That is, assuming a 2MB message, with a 64KB buffer limit, the app level > may receive a first indication that a frame was received, only 64kb, and > subsequent indications of pending content without header? > > If this is the pattern accepted, this will make easy do stream injection > for those servers that won't buffer 20MB content until pass a complete > frame to the app level.. > > > As for negotiation, that's a very complex topic, which, while > > interesting, is not necessary for the base protocol to function. I > > would suggest that if you're interested you propose text for an > > extension that would handle negotiation of such parameters as > > optimal/max frame sizes etc. > > Ok, I'll wait for your comments since I believe this is not an > individual preference but a risk at the server side. The idea is to > ensure server side delivers complete frames to the app level, not > octects without header.. > > > -Ian > > > > On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 1:55 AM, Norio Kobota > > <norio.kobota@jp.sony.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I think that 63 bits-length is too big for single frame, too. > > But there is no need to provide any header in handshake. > > > > The websocket frame format has a FIN bit for fragment message. > > So we can use this bit when we want to send very long message. > > > > I think that the websocket frame format can be more simple. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-------+-+-------------+-------------------------------+ > > |F|R|R|R| opcode|M| Payload len | Extended payload length > > | > > |I|S|S|S| (4) |A| (7) | (16) > > | > > |N|V|V|V| |S| | (if payload len==126) > > | > > | |1|2|3| |K| | > > | > > +-+-+-+-+-------+-+-------------+-------------------------------+ > > | Masking-key, if MASK set to 1 | Masking-key (continued) > > | > > +-------------------------------+-------------------------------+ > > | Payload Data... > > | > > +---------------------------------------------------------------+ > > | Payload Data (continued) > > | > > +---------------------------------------------------------------+ > > or > > +-+-+-+-+-------+-+-------------+-------------------------------+ > > |F|R|R|R| opcode|M| reserve | Payload length > > | > > |I|S|S|S| (4) |A| (7) | (16) > > | > > |N|V|V|V| |S| | > > | > > | |1|2|3| |K| | > > | > > +-+-+-+-+-------+-+-------------+-------------------------------+ > > | Masking-key, if MASK set to 1 | Masking-key (continued) > > | > > +-------------------------------+-------------------------------+ > > | Payload Data > > | > > +---------------------------------------------------------------+ > > | Payload Data (continued) > > | > > +---------------------------------------------------------------+ > > > > Regards, nori > > > > > > > > (2011/06/22 14:34), Francis Brosnan Blázquez wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Current frame design allows to send a very big single > > frame size (63 > > bits). In terms of memory a websocket server will have > > problems with > > this because he must buffer all content until he can > > deliver the entire > > message to the app level (assuming message based API). > > > > I think we need a way for servers (and possibly > > clients) to notify each > > other which is the max frame size each part is willing > > to accept so each > > site administrator can configure this according to its > > resources, > > application type, number of connections, etc. > > > > I think a simple header notified at the websocket > > handshake will provide > > this valuable control to each party: > > > > Max-Frame-Size: 4096 > > > > This will cause each party to fragment application > > level messages if it > > is found bigger than Max-Frame-Size. > > > > In the same direction, if not provided Max-Frame-Size, > > it looks > > reasonable to assume a default value for this header. > > Again, 4096 bytes > > looks like a good value. > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > hybi mailing list > > hybi@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hybi > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > hybi mailing list > > hybi@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hybi > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > hybi mailing list > > hybi@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hybi > > -- > Francis Brosnan Blázquez <francis.brosnan@aspl.es> > ASPL > 91 134 14 22 - 91 134 14 45 - 91 116 07 57 > > AVISO LEGAL > > Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. 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- [hybi] Max frame size Francis Brosnan Blázquez
- Re: [hybi] Max frame size Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] Max frame size Norio Kobota
- Re: [hybi] Max frame size Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ)
- Re: [hybi] Max frame size Francis Brosnan Blazquez
- Re: [hybi] Max frame size Francis Brosnan Blazquez
- Re: [hybi] Max frame size Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ)
- Re: [hybi] Max frame size Francis Brosnan Blazquez
- Re: [hybi] Max frame size Francis Brosnan Blazquez
- Re: [hybi] Max frame size Arman Djusupov
- Re: [hybi] Max frame size Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] Max frame size Francis Brosnan Blazquez
- Re: [hybi] Max frame size Andy Green (林安廸)
- Re: [hybi] Max frame size Scott Ferguson
- Re: [hybi] Max frame size Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [hybi] Max frame size Francis Brosnan Blázquez
- Re: [hybi] Max frame size Andy Green (林安廸)
- Re: [hybi] Max frame size Brodie Thiesfield
- Re: [hybi] Max frame size Scott Ferguson